conditioning aid

good bloodline............good care.............clean feed and water.........natural vitamins and supplements..........will be enough...........

some people give enhancers..........drugs............to make them hit and shuffle .........like crazy........as if there is no tomorrow..........

i said.............if it is so that they want................why don`t they breed ........bloodlines............that hit and shuffles..........like that....there are lots out there

aaahhhhhhhh.................when breeding pens fail..........when the expectation didn`t materialized.............or the breeder himself............has still the feeling..........they still lack something...........or needs some more...........will resort...........to these enhancing drugs:lol:

bottom and gameness..........come from the broodpen

cutting ability........comes from the broodpen.........passed by the mamma.

fighting style............again from the broodpen

good bodies......still from the broodpen..........mainly from the mamma...........and the way the feeder.......feeds them

crazy shuffling style........either nasa bllodline na yan.....:lol: .....o.....drug induced ability:lol:

again........rather breed this quality.........to them..........

but will take longer time.....................compared to enhancer drugs.....that they say will take effect in days..........daw

hi,

iam still infavor of enhancing drugs to this modern derby. bloodline is important. But what iam looking for a cock is the cock that will stand against the time. I dont care about what will happen to the cocks after the fight, what iam after is the cock to win>>>. after the fight give them a nice feed and let him relax for a short time and them back to cording area.

or they don`t have it...........

it`s like putting a high octane fuel to a normal car..........and dreams of competing ............in nascar.........or indi:lol:

the whole purpose of conditioning is to make them fight better.if you can make them fight better with conditioning aids then why not go for it?if you think your fowl has it all,then there's no more reason to condition them.

there is what they call...........NATURAL CONDITIONING...........without the use..........of enhancer drugs.........

refer to the statement made ............by the bulalayaw entry......wsd january 2005 champion............good bloodline is a must..................and enhancing drugs?...........nope!

either they have..it........ability............or they don`t have it

it's better to find out for yourself tha real truth about what it does rather than relying to someones statements.try it and decide for yourself if it does more good than harm.if you haven't tried it yet,then you know nothing about it.
talking about natural,people seem to think that vitamins and minerals are the only natural drug you can give.how can a vitamin pill processed in labs be natural?if so,then so is testosterone naturally produced by gonads and so is adrenalin/epinephrine naturally produced by sympathetic nervous system during fight and flight response.

you can recite to me.........the anatomy and physiology..........and all those medical terms.........because ..........you are a ..........nurse.............

but that doesn`t mean..........i don`t understand what you are saying..............

now tell me............how to administer............epinephrine........and nux vomica............or else...............it will be a pure hearsay.............and will remain hearsay............forever and....ever:lol:

if you insist..............then...........we are listening......rather going to read..........what you are going to write about administration............of epinephrine.........and nux vomica........

what you set as an example.........are dying patients......receiving epinephrine............but not in the mood to kill...........as we are talking .........about battlefowls.........born and raised to .......to kill:lol:

[reybanz]

it`s like putting a high octane fuel to a normal car..........and dreams of competing ............in nascar.........or indi

BULLSEYE!!! :rbounce:

:lol: :lol: :lol:either they have it or they don't have it---that's a very good statement for people who can afford to cull.but for smalltimers?i don't think so.
you want to read how to use stimulants?search for yourself.there's alot written about it.hearsay?tell that to the manufacturers of those drugs.
dying patients?i was talking about the effects of the drug not the patients.
if you think drug enhancers help,go for it.if you think they don't then don't use it.if you haven't tried it yet then you don't know nothing about it.

the thread is about conditioning aids and somebody's talking about broodpens.of course his fowls have it.:lol: :lol: :lol:

then..........why fix..........if it ain`t broke.........:lol:

meron na pala..........e para saan pala .........ang gamot na sinasabi mo:lol:

placebo effect:lol:

losing your point?:lol: :lol: :lol:

good cock plus good enhancers makes him fight better and keeps em going up to his ....last ....breath

Enhancers if used properly is a plus factor in winning

[Saknong]

I have a normal car. I follow all recommended PMS schedule and use regular gasoline. Recently, I started to use FUEL ADDITIVE, and there was a marked improvement in speed, mileage, emmission and egine cleanliness. I am not sure if there are trade-offs in the long term, but for now, the additive has helped and my car's performance will compare favorably against similar model/engine displacement.

hope my analogy makes sense.

if you have a 250 horse power engine car...let`s say a porsche.......and you add.......this additive...........it won`t make it stronger...........300 horse power engine.........and certainly won`t still make it competitive.........to go for major race:lol:

[khazimline]

Khazimline,
You're cool.

Like breeding, conditioning is a matter
of knowing what to do when.

You cannot say natural method is absolutely right,
and use of enhancing drugs is absolutely wrong.

From my experience I have learned that drugs do
more harm than good to birds. Especially,
the already good birds.

But I know of times when drugs did come
handy.

[khazimline]

Rb,
I'm stying cool for now coz I am not really into conditioning yet.I have alot of things in mind,I'll wait till I can do it to them birds and fight.After that maybe I can say something,Of course if I have questions I will call & ask you.
Many thanks,
khazimline

[Saknong]

buhawi, sorry if my analogy did not make sense to you.


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[mr.twin]

mga tol,

mayroon ako 4month old, anong food supplement at vitamin na maintence pra sa kanila....

Hi guys,

Pre khazim and pre Rb, how are you both m friends? Kmusta na mga manok nyo pre?

BUHAWI, you're right, we must make all the possibilities on the broodpen, selections and others, then provide this cockereels good vitamins until the the day they will be fought, additional vitamins as B complex, and see how it works in the pit, cu'z, their brain are in sound mind and in good condition. thats why it is still the best of all. :smoke: :smoke: :teeth:

[kogmohon]

saknong...your analogy is good and makes a lot of sense and i was wondering if i could run a test of my mini cooper to your avatar assuming that it is not on pms schedule...:innocent:

[lybamba]

sir buhawi,
just for curiosity not for argument, d ko po kasi alam na hindi gumagamit ng drugs ang mga big time cocker tulad ni BM BULALAYAW, napakatitibay nang mga manok.
im just a beginner and innocent for that, kaya po ako
interested sa mga fighting drugs alam ko po na me naitutulong din, tulad sa human, like (ben or carl) johnson the fastest athlete of the world that they found out using steroid that's why im also interested for that steroid for gamecock.
yes sir they are good but they know that they do much better if they use that drug.

[d_stabilizer69]

COCKSMATE,
for me healthy cocks still d best,but with little supplement of vit.i use DMG-15.

[d_stabilizer69]

COCKSMATE,
for me healthy cocks still d best,but with little supplement of vit.i use DMG-15.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Enemy of vitamin B12
Excessive alcohol can impair the absorption of this vitamin.

Other interesting points
Vitamin B12 can not be manufactured by any plants, and therefore is only found in animal products - therefore a deficiency may happens to people on a strict vegan diet.

Unlike other water-soluble vitamins, B12 needs some 3 hours to be absorbed where other B vitamins are absorbed nearly immediately.<

Food sources of vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 is present in liver, organ meat, muscle meat, shellfish, eggs, cheese, fish, and can be manufactured in the body. Although milk contains B12, processing of milk may lead to destruction of the vitamin.

http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-b...bamin-info.htm

Pag namumulutan ka pala ng mga laman-loob eh wala kang makukuhang V12...hehehe.

Kidd

Thru my experienced this is all you need...

cheer,
I.C.F.

[sandman124]

wolfengott, based on on what i have observed about demon's driver, this pill should be given to your fowl exactly 15-20 minutes before the fight, otherwise this will just ruin his fight.

[Super_Bayong]

Any supplements if used properly on time, assures you an edge in any battle

bayong