Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl News, Photo, Video; Derby News Schedule, Results, Breeding
 

Go Back   Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit > Main Forums > Usapang Manok

Usapang Manok Tagalog forum. Pang MASINSINANG pag-uusap lamang tungkol sa manok.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old June 20th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #1501
rugrats blade
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: cebu
Posts: 42
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Highlander gf View Post
mga kabakbakan cnong nakasubok na ng blumol us made, salamat sa input
sir maganda ang blumol na US made, pero ang pinaka mainam sa lahat ay ang blumol na old blade na may nakasaild pa sa dulo nito.......
rugrats blade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 26th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #1502
jack_kie
Senior Member
 
jack_kie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ceboom Ceboom
Posts: 1,263
Thanks: 1
Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rugrats blade View Post
sir maganda ang blumol na US made, pero ang pinaka mainam sa lahat ay ang blumol na old blade na may nakasaild pa sa dulo nito.......
Bay ang Dimas made in USA din. Mukang maganda to pangalan pa killer na
jack_kie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 26th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #1503
rugrats blade
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: cebu
Posts: 42
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jack_kie View Post
bay ang dimas made in usa din. Mukang maganda to pangalan pa killer na :d
hehehe tama ka sir jackie.pangalan palang patay na ang kalaban,mas maganda talaga ang blumol sir na made in us,,,,
rugrats blade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 27th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #1504
''21guns''
Member
 
''21guns'''s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: doha qatar
Posts: 101
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...64098554_n.jpg
Good day po sa lahat tanung lang po kung maganda po pa itong circular blade na ito compare po sa other hss blades,,
STARK 200x1.8x32hss Z130 t.2
''21guns'' is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:27 AM   #1505
EJN_TARI12
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 32
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/.../SPM_A0112.jpg
EJN_TARI12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:29 AM   #1506
EJN_TARI12
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 32
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/.../SPM_A0110.jpg
http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/.../SPM_A0112.jpg
http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/.../SPM_A0111.jpg
EJN_TARI12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 3rd, 2012, 12:00 PM   #1507
leorb
Senior Member
 
leorb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Manila/Cavite
Posts: 1,282
Thanks: 26
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Smile Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

sir anung BAKAL ang gamit mo sa mga tari na gawa mo?
leorb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 4th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #1508
EJN_TARI12
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 32
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by leorb View Post
sir anung BAKAL ang gamit mo sa mga tari na gawa mo?
sir comet po gamit ko na bakal...
EJN_TARI12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #1509
FILAMEX
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,032
Thanks: 3
Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by EJN_TARI12 View Post
sir comet po gamit ko na bakal...
Sir, accetylene po ba ang gamit mo sa paghinang o welding ng blade sa garol? Salamat po.
FILAMEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 10th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #1510
thegaffer0522
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 50
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ''21guns'' View Post
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/...64098554_n.jpg
Good day po sa lahat tanung lang po kung maganda po pa itong circular blade na ito compare po sa other hss blades,,
STARK 200x1.8x32hss Z130 t.2
super ganda po ang bakal na iyan sir, at nakailang beses na rin po akong nakagawa nyan na galing mismo sa nagpapagawang client na taga dito rin sa net na mga OFW. Kahit ipa metal test nyo pa ay may content po yan na 5% cobalt
thegaffer0522 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 1st, 2012, 09:14 AM   #1511
dsgamefowl
Senior Member
 
dsgamefowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Urgullo de Mindanao
Posts: 1,217
Thanks: 24
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Magandang Araw po mga Kasabong hingi po ako ng advise regarding sa Circular Blade nabili ko with the help of my very good friend si kwan

STARK - made in Italy
175 X 1, 5 X 32
Z= 100 T= 5

pasensya na po di ko alam kung anong meaning ng "Z" at "T" - ilan tari ang pwedeng gawin dito ang size po is 3 3/4 and 4" po gamit namin

salamat po in advance




Last edited by dsgamefowl; August 1st, 2012 at 09:21 AM. Reason: Resize Photo
dsgamefowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 1st, 2012, 09:28 AM   #1512
dsgamefowl
Senior Member
 
dsgamefowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Urgullo de Mindanao
Posts: 1,217
Thanks: 24
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Ito din po HEAT treated po made in Italy din mga ilan pirasong tari ang pwedeng gawin

255 X 1.9 X 32
Z160

kung sakali may nakasubok nito at kung anong magandang design for Stag, feed back naman po, maraming salamat




Last edited by dsgamefowl; August 1st, 2012 at 09:33 AM. Reason: Resize
dsgamefowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 15th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #1513
EJN_TARI12
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 32
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

mga kasabong post muna ako ng pang partida na tari nami...

ito po ang pang tapad na partida namin...


ito naman ang pang bawbaw na partida..




ito naman pang regular na tari...

EJN_TARI12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 16th, 2012, 10:08 PM   #1514
Nugbalayan
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 20
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by thegaffer0522 View Post
super ganda po ang bakal na iyan sir, at nakailang beses na rin po akong nakagawa nyan na galing mismo sa nagpapagawang client na taga dito rin sa net na mga OFW. Kahit ipa metal test nyo pa ay may content po yan na 5% cobalt
Sir nakasubok na ba kayo gumawa ng tari na gamit ang circular sa
TSUNE HSS 315mm X 2.5mm X 32. Hindi lang ako kc marunong mag add ng picture.

Pa comments naman po kng sino na ang nakasubok nito.

Maraming salamat
Nugbalayan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 16th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #1515
Haribon
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rizal
Posts: 166
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by fedlu View Post
mga sir,anu po yong input nyo sa sinasabi nilang "spindle"at yong "tool bit" na yan,maganda po kayng gawing tari ang mga yan?madami pO kasi dito sa barko e..hweehh
Spindle usually ay part ng mga machining equipment like lathe machine, grinding, boring, milling machines, CNC's and etc. Ang toolbit ay tool na ginagamit in forming metals using the said equipments. Ang toolbit is coming from different material composition and the most common ones are the HSS (High Speed Steel)
and the upgraded ones are carbides, cermets at ceramics. Different toolbit differs in application process.

If you are going to ask me what material am I going to choose for tari. I would go for stainless steels. However, one needs to know the process of doing the hardening and annealing which is the process that usually takes place in preparing or creating tari. Today, you can still do with the panday process or the old way but it is no guarantee na mameet mo yung specification ng binigay nung manufacturer. The best way to fully maximize the fullest potential metallurgical properties of the material is by using the modern equipment tools for hardening.

Hope this helps.
Haribon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 17th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #1516
Nugbalayan
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 20
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haribon View Post
Spindle usually ay part ng mga machining equipment like lathe machine, grinding, boring, milling machines, CNC's and etc. Ang toolbit ay tool na ginagamit in forming metals using the said equipments. Ang toolbit is coming from different material composition and the most common ones are the HSS (High Speed Steel)
and the upgraded ones are carbides, cermets at ceramics. Different toolbit differs in application process.

If you are going to ask me what material am I going to choose for tari. I would go for stainless steels. However, one needs to know the process of doing the hardening and annealing which is the process that usually takes place in preparing or creating tari. Today, you can still do with the panday process or the old way but it is no guarantee na mameet mo yung specification ng binigay nung manufacturer. The best way to fully maximize the fullest potential metallurgical properties of the material is by using the modern equipment tools for hardening.

Hope this helps.
Sir saan ba dto sa Maynila ang nagpapatemper ng bakal.
Nugbalayan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 12:00 AM   #1517
Haribon
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rizal
Posts: 166
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugbalayan View Post
Sir saan ba dto sa Maynila ang nagpapatemper ng bakal.
sir, di ko alam kung sino meron dito na commercial use using the modern equipments. Try nyo po sa Don Bosco Mandaluyong sa may Kalentong at baka mapagbigyan ka nila. Puro inside job po ang pagawa ko sa company na hindi ko po pwede banggitin.

Baka po meron alam iba nating mga kasama dito.
Haribon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Haribon For This Useful Post:
Nugbalayan (August 18th, 2012)
Old August 18th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #1518
Haribon
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rizal
Posts: 166
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsgamefowl View Post
Ito din po HEAT treated po made in Italy din mga ilan pirasong tari ang pwedeng gawin

255 X 1.9 X 32
Z160

kung sakali may nakasubok nito at kung anong magandang design for Stag, feed back naman po, maraming salamat



sir heto po yang saw blade nyo...
http://www.blademfg.com/high-speed-s...-m-2-hss-dm05/

I am not quite sure kung ok ang magiging physical strenght nya once napa nipis mo na yan. Usually ay eccentric motion ang paggamit ng circular. I am not sure sa tensile at elastic property nyan. Mas maganda po in my personal opinion na may bending strenght ang material na gagamitin natin. Hindi ko sure kung paano mag behave yan pag na twist ng konti. Isang magandang example po ng bending strenght ay yung sa lagaring bakal natin na pwede mo matwist kaya lang medyo kulang pa sa hardness. Take also into consideration dahil paninipisin natin ang isang side para gawing sharp edge in which we need to pay particular attention sa wear and tear response ng material. I suggest na mag stainless steel po at hanapin na lang kung anong alloy composition ang gagamitin nyo. "Always remember na the harder the material the brittle is it or the higher the carbon content the brittle it is" Kaya po may ibang metal tayong inihahalo sa base metal natin na carbon para makabuo ng ibang metal product at ma enhance ang properties ayon sa gamit.

Sana po makatulong.
Haribon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 04:51 AM   #1519
dsgamefowl
Senior Member
 
dsgamefowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Urgullo de Mindanao
Posts: 1,217
Thanks: 24
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haribon View Post
sir heto po yang saw blade nyo...
http://www.blademfg.com/high-speed-s...-m-2-hss-dm05/

I am not quite sure kung ok ang magiging physical strenght nya once napa nipis mo na yan. Usually ay eccentric motion ang paggamit ng circular. I am not sure sa tensile at elastic property nyan. Mas maganda po in my personal opinion na may bending strenght ang material na gagamitin natin. Hindi ko sure kung paano mag behave yan pag na twist ng konti. Isang magandang example po ng bending strenght ay yung sa lagaring bakal natin na pwede mo matwist kaya lang medyo kulang pa sa hardness. Take also into consideration dahil paninipisin natin ang isang side para gawing sharp edge in which we need to pay particular attention sa wear and tear response ng material. I suggest na mag stainless steel po at hanapin na lang kung anong alloy composition ang gagamitin nyo. "Always remember na the harder the material the brittle is it or the higher the carbon content the brittle it is" Kaya po may ibang metal tayong inihahalo sa base metal natin na carbon para makabuo ng ibang metal product at ma enhance ang properties ayon sa gamit.

Sana po makatulong.
http://www.isap.it/eng/lamedm05.html

ito po yun site sir hinde po blade ang brand niya Taube po with 5% Cobalt

maraming salamat po sa information

ayon sa nagbebenta dito mas maganda po ito kaysa sa "STARK" na brand which is proven already, try ko po ito this coming stag derby and be posting some finished tari soon

taas ko lang po for more inputs

Last edited by dsgamefowl; August 18th, 2012 at 04:54 AM.
dsgamefowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 07:10 AM   #1520
leorb
Senior Member
 
leorb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Manila/Cavite
Posts: 1,282
Thanks: 26
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Smile Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsgamefowl View Post
http://www.isap.it/eng/lamedm05.html

ito po yun site sir hinde po blade ang brand niya Taube po with 5% Cobalt

maraming salamat po sa information

ayon sa nagbebenta dito mas maganda po ito kaysa sa "STARK" na brand which is proven already, try ko po ito this coming stag derby and be posting some finished tari soon

taas ko lang po for more inputs
sir kamusta na po?tanung ko lang kung anung thickness nito?meron po ba kayong extra nito?thanks
leorb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 07:19 AM   #1521
Nugbalayan
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 20
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by leorb View Post
sir kamusta na po?tanung ko lang kung anung thickness nito?meron po ba kayong extra nito?thanks
Sir leorb tanong ko lang po nakasubok na kayo ng tari na gawa sa circular saw TSUNE(Japan Brand) HSS 315mm X 2.5mm X 32.
Pa comments naman po salamat
Nugbalayan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 07:22 AM   #1522
Nugbalayan
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 20
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haribon View Post
sir heto po yang saw blade nyo...
http://www.blademfg.com/high-speed-s...-m-2-hss-dm05/

I am not quite sure kung ok ang magiging physical strenght nya once napa nipis mo na yan. Usually ay eccentric motion ang paggamit ng circular. I am not sure sa tensile at elastic property nyan. Mas maganda po in my personal opinion na may bending strenght ang material na gagamitin natin. Hindi ko sure kung paano mag behave yan pag na twist ng konti. Isang magandang example po ng bending strenght ay yung sa lagaring bakal natin na pwede mo matwist kaya lang medyo kulang pa sa hardness. Take also into consideration dahil paninipisin natin ang isang side para gawing sharp edge in which we need to pay particular attention sa wear and tear response ng material. I suggest na mag stainless steel po at hanapin na lang kung anong alloy composition ang gagamitin nyo. "Always remember na the harder the material the brittle is it or the higher the carbon content the brittle it is" Kaya po may ibang metal tayong inihahalo sa base metal natin na carbon para makabuo ng ibang metal product at ma enhance ang properties ayon sa gamit.

Sana po makatulong.
sir salamat sa information. Sabi po ng gumagawa ng tari para po maiwasan yng pagkabrittle ng bakal inaatrasan daw yng dulo ng tari para hindi matiris lalo na kng hardened hacksaw blades ang gamit.
Nugbalayan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #1523
leorb
Senior Member
 
leorb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Manila/Cavite
Posts: 1,282
Thanks: 26
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Smile Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugbalayan View Post
Sir leorb tanong ko lang po nakasubok na kayo ng tari na gawa sa circular saw TSUNE(Japan Brand) HSS 315mm X 2.5mm X 32.
Pa comments naman po salamat
gud am sa iyo sir Nugbalayan...d pa ako nakasubok nitong binabanggit mong brand na circular saw...ang nasubukan ko lang un DORINGER, M2/COBALT at yun bagong pinagawa ko kay DONDONGAFF na KINKELDER...ok naman po magdala ng Talim ang mga ito...your welcome bro..
leorb is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to leorb For This Useful Post:
Nugbalayan (August 18th, 2012)
Old August 18th, 2012, 10:47 AM   #1524
sabungero76
Senior Member
 
sabungero76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,648
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Mga Sir's

eto nman Share ko Bakal at Tari ko











Last edited by sabungero76; August 18th, 2012 at 10:55 AM.
sabungero76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #1525
dsgamefowl
Senior Member
 
dsgamefowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Urgullo de Mindanao
Posts: 1,217
Thanks: 24
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by leorb View Post
sir kamusta na po?tanung ko lang kung anung thickness nito?meron po ba kayong extra nito?thanks

Kasabong Leorb nakasulat kasi is 255 X 1.9 X 32
sakto lang po ang kapa niya tulad ng STARK po

meron akong PM sa iyo
dsgamefowl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #1526
leorb
Senior Member
 
leorb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Manila/Cavite
Posts: 1,282
Thanks: 26
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Smile Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsgamefowl View Post
Kasabong Leorb nakasulat kasi is 255 X 1.9 X 32
sakto lang po ang kapa niya tulad ng STARK po

meron akong PM sa iyo
sir nabasa ko na yun pm nyo at nagreply na din po ako..salamat sa info nyo..
leorb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 18th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #1527
Nugbalayan
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 89
Thanks: 20
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sabungero76 View Post
Mga Sir's

eto nman Share ko Bakal at Tari ko










Sir gaganda ng tari nyo hindi pa tinatamaan kalaban takbo na sa takot! he he he
Nugbalayan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #1528
sabungero76
Senior Member
 
sabungero76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,648
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugbalayan View Post
Sir gaganda ng tari nyo hindi pa tinatamaan kalaban takbo na sa takot! he he he
Thanks Sir, Medyo masakit nga ito kpag tumama he he
sabungero76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #1529
oning_the_cat
CHAMPION
Sabong.NET Derby 2011
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,692
Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?

Leorb pre yang kinkelder ang hinahanap kung bakal made in holland ba iyan alam ko tumatari ka kumusta naman ang performance neto thanks
oning_the_cat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old August 19th, 2012, 04:20 AM   #1530
cjsabungero
Member
 
cjsabungero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 186
Thanks: 6
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Re: Ano uri ng STEEL ang pwedeng gawing TARI?




pwede ho kaya itong bakal na ito, nakapapanghihinayang kung di magamit 6 na pirasong circular saw pa naman ito.
cjsabungero is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
ginagawang tari

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
h.s.s gawing tari minas emmanuell Usapang Manok 50 October 7th, 2009 07:14 PM
Aling Bakal Ang Mas Magandang Gawing Tari??? feed rings Usapang Manok 1 April 12th, 2009 08:41 AM
Shipping tari and anything made of steel? canadian kelso Chicken Talk 6 November 17th, 2007 04:03 AM
ok ba itong gawing tari!!!!! racklyn Usapang Manok 6 July 31st, 2007 11:19 PM
best steel to use in tari paulajay Usapang Manok 4 October 1st, 2003 07:20 AM

All times are GMT +8. The time now is 08:54 AM.

3.8.7