Selection Process

Hello All,

What do you think about breeders/cockers who select from the abilities of a stag thats not even a year old? Ive known of some people who spars these stags thats under a year old and if they dont show good, they right away get rid of the line or/and do not breed their female siblings.

To me, i call this "rookie ****", "greenhorn", or "beginner", as they have no business selecting for the future of their stock from an under a year old stags. No one has business sparring stags at a young age. If they show good at a young age, good, they can only get better or lousy as they age. If they show lousy at a young age, same thing.

People should just let the stags be and mature till they are of age, then you can see. Young stags still need to mature mentally and physically. If you are one of those folks that do this, you have no business in thes game.

fis 808Guam

stag derbies, 8 to 10 months old, when the stags show fight, we start sparring. most of us know what we can fight as stags & what we need to fight as cocks. fighting stags helps you in your breeding program.

[cnucum]

sir gamecock4u,

I am just a beginner sir, but I think this "thought" doesn't apply to all... There are some that do test as stags... If I'm not mistaken, the "Ampli Brothers" do this...

This is an excerpt taken from their website:

When new yards are tried for the first time, Joseph would pit the offspring against each other armed with short knives to test their courage, power, speed and cutting ability. No less than twenty stags are killed in this process, but the results provide valuable information for their next move.

Those lines that proved unworthy of tough competitions are immediately culled.

And with the acheivement of the "Ampli Brothers" one cannot call them "rookie ****", "greenhorn", or "beginner", as they have no business selecting for the future of their stock from an under a year old stags

As they say sir... "To each his own... can't judge a method if it doesn't work for you or don't believe in it...

They fight on stag derbies and they have accomplish alot, good for them. There are fowl that show good for stag derbies and some that are good as cocks. Im refferring to people who dont even fight stag derbies at all. There are alot of folks that have done well in stag derbies, but if you dont fight stag derbies, why bother with selection of stags, right?

[colt39]

There are fowl that are a lot better as cocks than they would have been as stags. Some fowl show you what they got right away & others come into them selves as cocks.

The Cardinal Club Kelsos are fair as Stags but when they become cocks, that is when they show you their full potentional.

If you know your fowl, you can cull as stags while others should be given the time to fully mature into cocks.

Yes, I can see why beginners may cull fowl as stags that would have made Ace cocks. I did it when I was green, lol.

[hanes]

there are some bloodlines that are on their early maturing and some are not. so if you know that they fight at early age and they are not showing good and out of your taste, what the heck to let them stay and wait till there getting old, its a waste of time, money and space.

[blue_talon]

there goes the old saying "different strokes for differernt folks"

[ichiko]

Re: Selection Process

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They fight on stag derbies and they have accomplish alot, good for them. There are fowl that show good for stag derbies and some that are good as cocks. Im refferring to people who dont even fight stag derbies at all. There are alot of folks that have done well in stag derbies, but if you dont fight stag derbies, why bother with selection of stags, right?

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The Ampil's also won the WSC... now, we can judge that their selection process works for them in stags and cocks.

[brownred30]

Yep. I had some grey stags 10 of them in all they looked good and sparred good and we showed 5 of them and we lost two one time then we kept the other three and showed them another day. Well they all ended up losing. But we knew they had to be good so we kept the other five to cock out well they all won and won a show. Now we know to keep them as cocks.

[slipspur]

Back when I was young I wouldn't keep a family unless they could fight as stags... I couldn't afford to keep that many birds so I'd fight em as stags and then hold my Aces back for cocks... I let the pit decide what I held over. I have seen birds that were awesome as stag when bred one way... and be junk as cocks. The same 2 families bred the other way produced great cocks but so-so stags. The trick is to get good stock and try em several ways to learn their traits and how they produce... once ya know em then yer in business.

gud day all!

ive been breeding and fighting for couple of years now. im not saying im an expert of this game but our very first batch we produce 4 stags ( sweater/hatch/rhead blend ) we fought them as a stag at 10mos. old. 2draw 1w against a experience breeder in my town. we tried them in a hackfight. the one that won didnt make it but the one that drew survive. we matured those 2 stags till they became bullstag and showed them in a 2cock ulutan. they both won without scratch. i guess its all in our own taste of selecting pit warrior for stag or cock. i agree with both side in selecting at young age (stag) if pit worthy then mature to ace cock. and waiting for those late maturing stag to show there high level potential.

just my 10cent. godbless

[bajaexplor]

We fight some of our stags and this is an integral part of our selection process. If they don't spar well at 8 or 9 months, we watch tem closely to see if they pick up the pace later on. Our Gary Gilliam Roundhead sparred terribly at 8 months, but, looks a lot better at 12 months. We are still watching this line. When we introduce new lines to the farm, we need to know what we have. If it is obvious that they will not fit into our program, we need to move on. With 600 or more birds, the feed bill gets large and we must cut somewhere.

Baja

[grey man]

Some lines mature faster than others. For stag derbies i like to use Blacks and Roundheads. Clarets seem to get smarter and faster as they age. My Yellow leg Hatches seem to be okay as stags and even betther as cocks. Thats just one mans opinions. Peace brothers.....