Guam Cockers Dilemma. - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

romerorr · May 26th, 2009, 08:25 PM

To all Guam cockers,

There are a lot of outside cockfighting happening right now, fights at Dededo cockpit has slowed down considerably specially on Fridays and Sundays. Do you think it has something to do with the perceived cheating in match making and in officiating the fights.

I know at least 2 of the referees have drug problems, one has an ongoing case right now, the other is on probation and is being allowed to work in the pit. Correct me if I'm wrong, when you are under probation or parole any establishment that serves alcohol and has gambling is supposed to be off limits.

What about you guys, what's your beef if any?

dimitri · May 26th, 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by romerorr

To all Guam cockers,

There are a lot of outside cockfighting happening right now, fights at Dededo cockpit has slowed down considerably specially on Fridays and Sundays. Do you think it has something to do with the perceived cheating in match making and in officiating the fights.

I know at least 2 of the referees have drug problems, one has an ongoing case right now, the other is on parole and is being allowed to work in the pit. Correct me if I'm wrong, when you are under parole any establishment that serves alcohol and has gambling is supposed to be off limits.

What about you guys, what's your beef if any?

chelo,

I have witnessed first hand during a 3 cock derby where one of the derby participants fought a poisoned bird , the fight was delayed for 5 mins due to a officiating dispute anyway the bird died in the pit before they could even square off the bets...

Management has continued to tolerate this shameful acts...about the officiating, it's really bothers me when the referree are making bets and the 1 peck rule they practice in Dededo is a dead giveaway for cheating...

Mudflop · May 27th, 2009, 12:53 AM

They need to go the the prestigeous derbies in the P.I. and learn. I have traveled roosters to Guam at the old "sport o dome" when it was in operation. If was a first class operation that allowed so many entries from Hawaii and the mainland to come and participate. Since Dededo opened I went only once and did not like the operation and stopped going to Guam other than to visit friends and family. There are a few folks from Hawaii that still go but they were not actively in the sport during the days of the sport o dome. Had they witnessed the first class operation then, they will understand that dededo does not support all participants at and equal footing level and only supports the high rollers. Authorities approving operations need to relook at this picture as the outside pits should be used only for special occasions. How can Guam ever have a world class operation when the officials are always loaded and taking sides. As a fellow Chammoro living abroad I can understand why participation is lacking at the Dededo pit. Busta Umbe Fan.

slipspur · May 27th, 2009, 03:19 AM

Cheating & catering to favorites goes on everywhere... I swore off of going to Kellyville because of it. I would tell the folks running the pit that I wouldn't be back until they clean up their act... the COCKERS are who put on the show that brings in the $$$$... boycott the suckers!!!

guamgazu · May 27th, 2009, 09:19 AM

Been in this sport for awile now and of course there R some arguments about cheatin! personally i think alot of the so called cheatin is not as much as people say! I think that most people who yell cheatin is due to lack of knowledge of pit rule's!education in pit rules would go along way and also cut down on the so called "cheatin"....thats why I think guam should change the Rules to Mimic P.I rules,where at the end of the fight they would be no doubt that ur cock has lost! the one peck rule leaves alot of room for people to claim they have been cheated and also leaves a lot of room for the ref's to cheat.

romerorr · May 27th, 2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by guamgazu

Been in this sport for awile now and of course there R some arguments about cheatin! personally i think alot of the so called cheatin is not as much as people say! I think that most people who yell cheatin is due to lack of knowledge of pit rule's!education in pit rules would go along way and also cut down on the so called "cheatin"....thats why I think guam should change the Rules to Mimic P.I rules,where at the end of the fight they would be no doubt that ur cock has lost! the one peck rule leaves alot of room for people to claim they have been cheated and also leaves a lot of room for the ref's to cheat.

That will be the best thing to happen, In PI your chicken will lose dead 100% of the time unless it ran off or sulked, they forced the birds to fight to the death. I think that will never happen here, because they will never have the opportunity to cheat. Those guys are convinced they can't win without cheating.

The sad thing is we praised the PI for having very organized fights and yet the guys involved in all of these cheating are 99% filipinos.

yoypinas · May 28th, 2009, 09:26 AM

well, bring those guys home and let them run the pit with the same rules and will see what will happen!

CrookedToe · May 29th, 2009, 05:59 AM

This is a HUGE problem at the Dededo Game Club. I have been cheated and have seen it happen to others. I agree with some of the previous posts about referee's calling bets IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN! I have been cheated in that way the ref bet against us but couldn't cheat because we killed the opponent. When we went to colloect he said we just covered the short and didn't bet additionally. I have also seen a referee get punched several times over alleged cheating. I also have witnessed the pitter get shoved for walking over to push the opponents bird in. It is just to rampant up there I don't really like to fight up there.

aprilredtick · May 30th, 2009, 04:51 AM

off the sugect but how can i ship fowl to guam from usa ? vito cant do it any more any info woud help thanks

Mudflop · May 30th, 2009, 05:58 AM

You need to find someone in Hawaii that will redo all the Health Certificate, place the fowl in the Horizon boxes and then contact the buyer for an import permit. Damon Yorkman of Oklahoma is still sending via an agent in Hawaii that provides the assistance. The agent will have to be re-imbursed for his/her expense. This makes it costly for the customers in Guam. In my opinion, it won't be long before all shipments are completely stopped.

romerorr · May 31st, 2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CrookedToe

This is a HUGE problem at the Dededo Game Club. I have been cheated and have seen it happen to others. I agree with some of the previous posts about referee's calling bets IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN! I have been cheated in that way the ref bet against us but couldn't cheat because we killed the opponent. When we went to colloect he said we just covered the short and didn't bet additionally. I have also seen a referee get punched several times over alleged cheating. I also have witnessed the pitter get shoved for walking over to push the opponents bird in. It is just to rampant up there I don't really like to fight up there.

The pit operator is the one to blame for all of these, they should teach or train their referees to have a standard way of deciding the fights, training should be done on a regular basis maybe once every 3 months.

sooner89 · July 1st, 2009, 04:48 PM

I don't care if they have training or not, a crook will always be a crook. I also have seen it when ref's family had a bird in the pit and they were officiating and there was some fishy stuff going on. I know because it was our entry that was fighting against them.

But i do like Mr. C and have no problems with him at all. I'm just thankful that I'm not back in the mainland with the ***'s running around and videoing everything.

kogmohon · July 1st, 2009, 08:15 PM

this are management problem...they will continue to happen until the owners will take action against this practices...you guys should boycott and learn bowling...

OnPoint · July 1st, 2009, 08:18 PM

one of the biggest problems i see at the guam shows is the fact that there is just too much people in the ring .. i seen about 6 - 8 people in the ring per fight .. do they all need to be in there??

i once asked one of the men in the ring to excuse himself when we were down there showing but he said it was his job to be in there .. all he did was take bets and thats it .. i mean, take bets then exit .. come back in and either pay or get paid.

just my two cents ..

kogmohon · July 1st, 2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnPoint

one of the biggest problems i see at the guam shows is the fact that there is just too much people in the ring .. i seen about 6 - 8 people in the ring per fight .. do they all need to be in there??

i once asked one of the men in the ring to excuse himself when we were down there showing but he said it was his job to be in there .. all he did was take bets and thats it .. i mean, take bets then exit .. come back in and either pay or get paid.

just my two cents ..

islanders we follow the same beat...we are so alike...in the island where i come from...it's
the same thing...

hasmidzul_jojo · July 1st, 2009, 08:31 PM

For the sake of sport,just boycott those Dededo cockpit.

Shame on the cheaters

BR

MRkelso · August 15th, 2009, 05:36 AM

tiope or fixed fights happens in the ring also and the management is not doing anything about it.

Kakahna671 · August 2nd, 2012, 05:37 AM

I believe it is best to contact officials from the government, like the Attorney General, Gaming Commission, the Law makers (Senators), and Revenue and Taxation. This rules must be re-visit. If Pit Operators or staff don't like you for whatever reasons, you are band at the Pit. There is no sound rules, and appears as though any staff of the Cockpit can be a referee if they so desire. Any staff can be a bet caller if they so desire, or almost anything that deals with the Pit operation and none, probably none of them are certified to do any of this by rules of Gaming Commission or whatever rules govern the Game. And the biggest issue I think is, any of the Pit Operation staff can be a representive of Revenue and Taxation and as you collect your winnings, you will be tax by the Tax guide lines set by Business Owner that have been implemented.

The years of going to the Pit in Guam, I seen alot of fights and I mean serious infliction of injuries, and one close to death due to the shooting at the Pit.

So Guam Cockers, it's time. Is it election year?

Good Luck