Bantay Sabong Is Behind It

[xcq2r]

Originally Posted by ChinaRose

lobby ?!

it takes money to lobby kaya nga tinawag na tongressmen...

I have here P44T na kinita sa pasabong ng bantay sabong
saan kaya aabot ang halagang ito eh million ang pera ng
kalaban natin.

tell me are you guys willing to finance me to do the lobbying?
seed money is 44thou...

we now have our own forum alyansa sabungero for all our
political discussions latest news and what have you.
scroll down lang sa front page.

thanks !!!

that is true,


it takes money to lobby.

it you want to earn money, yo have to spend lots of money.


try nyo kaya approach si congressman Way kurat... dba kristo yun dati sa sabungan.

" The quality of our expectations determines the quality of our action."

[f2gade]

Originally Posted by bluelegged

....THAT GROUP OF NID ANIMA IS p e t a ... JUST WANT TO LIVEN THE SABONG ISSUE.

yeah like the cross is a sign of the beast and the pope is a nazi tumahimik ka na lang kaya this is not a place for your crazy idea dun ka na lang sa thread ni wrigs na religion

[bluelegged]

chinarose, our cockfighting law is 35 years old now and is still on, when did it become weak? the iloilo issue? aumentado just reminds us not to abuse the law as said in the law.

that puerto rican law, that's tony777 suggestion years ago dig it up, his target is to revise our 74 law, that's what P E T A wants...i know he's with your group, that partylist is a P E T A trap.

why you guys after the cockfighting law 74? why don't you attack awa98 to take out the word 'birds' in their provisions? tell that to tony777.

there's no need to have a representative to protect 74 law, it's a law of the land for 35 years, and it's protecting itself in section 9.

'WHERE IS THE TREAT'?

[boolick]

The suggestion to enter congress through a partylist has been discussed in this forum for around two years running. I agree that being prepared and setting precedents is vital in any endeavour. But after two years of doing nothing and the **** and their co-horts knocking on our doors and being very visible (nudists not withstanding), when will we wake up and do something? Has anything ever been done since the topic first started in this forum? I too had some questions as to the intent of those who filed. But after some serious pondering, I have decided that as long as there is transparency and accountability by those who want to represent all of us, then why not give it a go? sa bagay sila ang naglakas loob na harapin ang hagupit nang buhawi na humahampas sa kanila ngayon. But I appreciate all opposition even from our camp, as long as it is sincere and without malice, as this process will also keep those who are not sincere about our true objectives in check and know that everyone is watching and vigilant. Let it not be said that we do not police our own ranks. Unlike those who oppose (nudists included).

[renne211]

Who needs a party list representative for our gentlemen sabong afficionados? Speaker of the house of representatives Cong. Nograles is a sabong afficionado. So goes the other govt.officials, Cong. Mitra, Albano, Wacnang, Bautista,(just to mention a few) other governors are also sabungeros. Mar Roxas' uncle is Mr. Nene Araneta. Even Jinggoy has some battlefowls and so does the Revilla clan.
Who will vouch for the integrity of the party list representative? The newly-seated party-list representative went with Madam Gloria to the states and sat with the group with the questionable 20k (us dollars dinner.) Now, can somebody out there guarantee that this so-called party list representative for sabong afficionados be free from temptation and really protect the sabong industry?
Guys, open your eyes.

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by boolick

The suggestion to enter congress through a partylist has been discussed in this forum for around two years running. I agree that being prepared and setting precedents is vital in any endeavour. But after two years of doing nothing and the **** and their co-horts knocking on our doors and being very visible (nudists not withstanding), when will we wake up and do something? Has anything ever been done since the topic first started in this forum? I too had some questions as to the intent of those who filed. But after some serious pondering, I have decided that as long as there is transparency and accountability by those who want to represent all of us, then why not give it a go? sa bagay sila ang naglakas loob na harapin ang hagupit nang buhawi na humahampas sa kanila ngayon. But I appreciate all opposition even from our camp, as long as it is sincere and without malice, as this process will also keep those who are not sincere about our true objectives in check and know that everyone is watching and vigilant. Let it not be said that we do not police our own ranks. Unlike those who oppose (nudists included).

Chicken talk can last awhile sometimes, the wait is part of the game.

Concerns over working conditions and employment proctection is covered by existing labor law, concerns about the gambling/bettings in sabong is jointly monitored by pagcor and internal revenue, gamefowl farming is seen by agriculture, among others..

lakas ng loob can only go so far..it alone will not cut it.
welcome to philippine politics-- the libingan ng mga puro lakas ng loob lang..but will take cash anytime.

[boolick]

Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen

Chicken talk can last awhile sometimes, the wait is part of the game.

Concerns over working conditions and employment proctection is covered by existing labor law, concerns about the gambling/bettings in sabong is jointly monitored by pagcor and internal revenue, gamefowl farming is seen by agriculture, among others..

lakas ng loob can only go so far..it alone will not cut it.
welcome to philippine politics-- the libingan ng mga puro lakas ng loob lang..but will take cash anytime.

Point well taken. The beauty of our electoral system as of date is that the partylist blokes have only 3years to prove themselves then we collectively can give them the boot if they fall below our expectations. Will this cause damage to the reputation of sabungeros? I think not. It may cause damage to a few egos and reputations but that is part of the game. Let those with ill intentions take heed on the wrath of the sabungeros, be they from our family. However, like I said, you are right in that we must prepare. The question is, now that the ball is in our court and we have crossed the rubicon, what now? I for one think that vmt carmen is a level headed and well informed gentelman and would like to request that he join the consultative body or whatever it is that alyansang sabungero might put up and benefit from his wisdom and others who feel that we must act now that the die has been cast. Unity under adversity.

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by boolick

Point well taken. The beauty of our electoral system as of date is that the partylist blokes have only 3years to prove themselves then we collectively can give them the boot if they fall below our expectations. Will this cause damage to the reputation of sabungeros? I think not. It may cause damage to a few egos and reputations but that is part of the game. Let those with ill intentions take heed on the wrath of the sabungeros, be they from our family. However, like I said, you are right in that we must prepare. The question is, now that the ball is in our court and we have crossed the rubicon, what now? I for one think that vmt carmen is a level headed and well informed gentelman and would like to request that he join the consultative body or whatever it is that alyansang sabungero might put up and benefit from his wisdom and others who feel that we must act now that the die has been cast. Unity under adversity.

'gulpi de gulat' is appropriate to say the least.
why? are they worried they would lose out on 3 years worth of pork barrel?

there is nothing wrong for voting--i.e well informed and free from coercion.

but c'mon we've been complaining how politicians screw us up behind our backs, and this is exactly the situation now. "so mapipilitan na lang tayong bomoto at sumuporta kasi nandyan na?" What kind of voting principle is that? do we actually stand for that motive to give away our vote ? we become nothing more than the ones we've been complaining about. partly the reason why we left the country in the first place.

I can not be party to that practice. I just hope now they will get a pass with the COMELEC.

[VMT^Carmen]

I better stop here and now before I would sound like I'm bitter and jealous. I can't be bothered.

I think I have expressed my thoughts well enough.



I'll go back to the chickens now.

[ChinaRose]

vtm mt. carmel : you mentioned emoy in one of your
postings.

who do you think was behind emoy and tukaan from the
start ???

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by ChinaRose

vtm mt. carmel : you mentioned emoy in one of your

postings.

who do you think was behind emoy and tukaan from the

start ???

With respect to the deceased,
who do you think?

Look here my dear, I am not against your group or partylist rep or what you supposedly stand for, I am just so dissapointed at how it was brought to light in view of the rest of the nation...of the world even.

I have met a lot challenges in life but seeing how unprepared the group was could make every living sabongero throw in a curse ot two.

And for that breech of gentlemanly confidence, it is totally unforgiveable.

[tony777]

Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen

...Concerns over working conditions and employment proctection is covered by existing labor law...

VMT^Carmen:

how are u my friend? let's engage in a friendly and constructive discussion.

if u are worried about pork barrel, i salute u.
u should ask the president, phil congress, and all elected officials to eliminate pork barrel. good luck.

the issue is: the representation of the marginalized sabungero workers in phil congress.

without representation, how would u provide "employment protection" to our marginalized and not represented-sabungero workers?

of course, its best to be well prepared, and to have all the major players such as our national phil sabong leadership and our govt officials/politicians-sabongeros to be involved. but, sadly, they have chosen or is choosing not to lift a finger.

if not now, when?

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

VMT^Carmen:

how are u my friend? let's engage in a friendly and constructive discussion.

if not now, when?

Hi tony, not that bad ,youself?
you and i have tackled this topic before..2-3 years ago?
and there are preparation goin on..but it does take time to come up with a legit, joke-proof project, as you might be well aware of.

no, no, don't put it on the shoulder of the National Organisation and "Political sabongeros". that would be unfair, our attention is the chicken and then friends...politics is honestly far down the list.

Labor laws can sufficiently tackle problems with employment in the country, so as the national labor relations to unions, it is just a question of approaching these agency should one feel aggrieved. I should know..coz I have been a care taker, a helper, a gaffer, a humbler handler, amo boss manager ng mga tao ko..basically I started from the bottom of the sport. Maybe there are concerns of pushing it too soon, being an employer at the same time an employee could blur the lines, and if my local org suggest to me to give up one of the other..we'll have some serious problem seeing eye to eye.

Now my point, and by which you try shoving down our throat, Why should we feel threatened to supprot it outright? Becasue it is there already? Kasi nandiyan na wala na tayong ibang choice? What kind of Voting principle is that? Do you stand by that?
I have always maintained my VOTE is important. It is a quality VOTE. Now I don't know about you.

of course we have a choice, we can wait till they are really ready to handle serious issues.
For me, at least ,I am not going to remortgage(sabong world) the house with such an ill-prepared policy maker hopeful.If they screw up before the starting line..I won't be holding my breathe as to when will the next screw up will be.
Kinakabahan na tuloy ako baka isugal na lahat pati pamalenke nyan.

[tony777]

im ok.

i respect ur opinion, and i would not shove any of my ideas down anyone's throat.
i would express my ideas and opinions, but it is always everybody's free choice.

i just feel we have nothing to lose if we support this effort.
we always take chances when we vote.

take care.

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

im ok.

i respect ur opinion, and i would not shove any of my ideas down anyone's throat.
i would express my ideas and opinions, but it is always everybody's free choice.

i just feel we have nothing to lose if we support this effort.
we always take chances when we vote.

take care.

trust me, in politics you have always something to lose.
I say cut bait now and save further losses.
Come back with the marines well stock, locked and loaded...in a manner of speaking.

[tony777]

Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen

trust me, in politics you have always something to lose.
I say cut bait now and save further losses.
Come back with the marines well stock, locked and loaded...in a manner of speaking.

my friend, i dont know what "losses" u are talking about?

we have not lose anything yet, i think.
our phil sabong leadership, our known sabongeros, and our govt officials/politicians sabongeros are not doing anything for our sabungero workers, for the protection and preservation of sabong, and to kill the animal rights terrorists' growing and ongoing threat.
but ALYANSA is doing something.
its a welcome change.
at least its a start.

i thought the name ALYANSA SABUNGERO was ingenious, like a blessing in disguise. (although i would prefer something like ALYANSA SABUNGERO WORKERS).
why?
it has attracted the most media attention among all applicants.
now, its up to Nid and Alyansa to explain again and again to the detractors and the public that it is for the sabungero workers' representation, and what his specific platforms are.

Nid should keep taking the spotlights and accepting interviews, keep the media attention going, attend tv and radio shows, keep the exposure ball rolling, etc., until the comelec decides. and people would also know him more.

[bluelegged]

Originally Posted by tony777

my friend, i dont know what "losses" u are talking about?

we have not lose anything yet, i think.
our phil sabong leadership, our known sabongeros, and our govt officials/politicians sabongeros are not doing anything for our sabungero workers, for the protection and preservation of sabong, and to kill the animal rights terrorists' growing and ongoing threat.
but ALYANSA is doing something.
its a welcome change.
at least its a start.

i thought the name ALYANSA SABUNGERO was ingenious, like a blessing in disguise. (although i would prefer something like ALYANSA SABUNGERO WORKERS).
why?
it has attracted the most media attention among all applicants.
now, its up to Nid and Alyansa to explain again and again to the detractors and the public that it is for the sabungero workers' representation, and what his specific platforms are.

Nid should keep taking the spotlights and accepting interviews, keep the media attention going, attend tv and radio shows, keep the exposure ball rolling, etc., until the comelec decides. and people would also know him more.

why you want the world to hear all about this? you are calling internationally to decide on our culture, that is sedition tony.

your motive is not for the protection of our culture, instead 'let the world judge' to your so-called p e t a blah blah blah!

[VMT^Carmen]

Tony777,
Sometimes you are not even trying to think enough, please don't hold back. Your persistence will only serve my point well, not that it will incease the validity of your argument though.
Where have you been in the last few days? Due to the mediocricity of their application they'd dragged the whole sabong folks in disrepute. We had been laughed at in public. It's a shame you were not on Earth when these things unfolded. You would have found your chair moved in a certain direction.
We have already lost the crucial first impression buckle. In fact it will haunts us now mortally, to put it mildly. I try not to be so harsh this time.
Sadly my friend, we have lost face.

Now, your argument in regard to media attention, is somewhat blurred. We were burnt at the stake, if you happen to pay close attention. What more of a loss can you fail to think of? Burnt to the bones my friend.
,
You must have mistaken this Nid Anima(whoever he is, a pen pal name perhaps) with Jose Rizal. Have you been made aware that the guy can not interpolate very well? Have a hard time getting his message across? A reprensentative to Congress? A sitting duck brought inside a cockfight is more appropriate. Is that news to you? Judging from your articulation, you need to have some brushing up to do with the personalities under this banner as well.

We know that certain forces are out in the prawl for cockfighters. Doing something? Doing more damage than good is what was done. Doing something does not necessarily mean it is right. A little knowledge can be very dangerous.
By the way, Are making excuses now for others' unpreparedness now too? Because no matter how you cover it up, we can see through it. We have been initiated by £$% politicians before. I am just hoping the applicant(s) will regroup and come back strong and ready.
Do the right thing and Do it right.

You even have no idea who these people are and here you are selling the goods to us? So far it doesn't do as what we can read on the label.

I heard you complained of the rotten system, of how politicians screw us up badly, and here you are peddleing the same sort of process you claimed you vehemently abhor.

I know you advocate a Party List rep in Congress..but this isn't it I'm telling you.
It has all the makings of a another disappointment. Don't let the pressure get the best of you.

[bluelegged]

We Just Hope For The Best That Bantay Sabong Will Be Enlightened Why Tony Joined The Group And Used It As A Tool To Call The Attention Of The World To Go Against Our Culture.

[tony777]

my friend, VMT^Carmen:

in politics, there would always be detractors. pro and con.
if u could not take the heat, get out of the fire.
but based on his interview and his accomplishment, i think Nid is okay.
with respect to their application, let comelec decide. let them decide, not us.
in his interview, he is no obama, but i think he could speak his side. burnt at the stake is an extreme exaggeration. i say its excellent media coverage for the plight of our poor sabungero workers. he articulated their plight well, i think, which for u, we should leave behind with the system under the guise of it is "just a question of approaching these [govt] agency". please give these poor workers a break. our poor sabungero workers are still marginalized with no representation. and nothing would change for them until they get some needed help.

and i understand he could write too.
he is old in the pic, but i think its a plus for experience, knowledge, and wisdom.

i say, let us know him better.
rather than crucify and kill him before we could even hear him tell the whole side of his story and what he wants to accomplish.

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

my friend, VMT^Carmen:

in poli, which for u, we should leave behind with the system under the guise of it is "just a question of approaching these [govt] agency". please give these poor workers a break. our poor sabungero workers are still marginalized with no representation. and nothing would change for them until they get some needed help.

and i understand he could write too.
he is old in the pic, but i think its a plus for experience, knowledge, and wisdom.

i say, let us know him better.
rather than crucify and kill him before we could even hear him tell the whole side of his story and what he wants to accomplish.

what exactly are their plans for the sabongero workers?
losing lotto-bettors have no representation ..i feel sorry for them too.
i am sure he's a good man , but that doesn't necessarily qualify to represent me and the others. i could name 20 sabongeros in one breathe to be good men.

i really hope they will do better this time with the COMeLEC not reinforce their incompetency.
once bitten..

[tony777]

Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen

what exactly are their plans for the sabongero workers?...

that is why we have to listen and know Nid better.
of course, there are better men. but they are no good if they are doing nothing.

and we could not solve the problems of every marginalized sector.
but, first, we should take care of our own--our very own sabungero workers.
its a start. its better than doing nothing and accentuate the negative.
let us think positive for a change.

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

that is why we have to listen and know Nid better.
of course, there are better men. but they are no good if they are doing nothing.

and we could not solve the problems of every marginalized sector.
but, first, we should take care of our own--our very own sabungero workers.
its a start. its better than doing nothing and accentuate the negative.
let us think positive for a change.

if it can not withstand scrutiny at this stage what chance has it got infront of COMELEC?

listen? have they so far?
have they spoken to anybody about it yet?
is it the case of the sabongeros will be the last to know..or better yet another tv episode.
It raise more questions than it answers.

i am for representation i brought up the idea long time ago.
what i am not in favour is going in half cock with nothing to show for it.
it is not pessimistic but being smart about your steps.
the publicity so far is damaging, it either they get their act together or create some more damage, and honestly..performance wise?..i wouldn't bet the insurance money on the first.

again doing something that is weak in preparation is better not done,
waiting to get fully ready is not doing nothing? why the bullying pressure? there is no terrorising rush to get the pork barrel for the next 3 years.

if the negative outweighs the positive?
reason prevails

[tony777]

again, if u are concern about pork barrel. i salute u. ask all our elected govt officials to give it up. good luck.
the better approach would be to get involved and think positive on how we could help our poor workers with such development funds (or pork barrel), if the win miracle happens.

let us not judge harshly yet as whether its half cook or fully cook or whatever.
let Alyansa run its course. let us know Nid more. maybe, all it needs is a little (cooking) time.

approved or not approved.

if disapproved, as usual, we always learn something everyday, and we could do better next time. thats life.

if approved, then, it would be up to our democratic process.

[bluelegged]

Hey Tony, You Exactly Know What You're Doing. You Infiltrate Bantay Sabong, You Lured Our Bro/sis To The Pork Barrel. You Used Them As Your Tool For The World To Comment (thru Nid Interviews) On Our Cultural Heritage. You Are Setting Us Filipinos Against Each Other To A Bloody Revolution Just To Fulfill Your P E T A Ideology To Kill Cockfighting In The Philippines, Which Is Your Main Purpose.

That Is Our National Cultural Heritage You Intent To Kill.

YOU ARE THE ARCHITECT OF THIS.

[ChinaRose]

bluelegged do I know you from way back the pitmaster days?
you seem to have the same style of arguements and manner
of writing. just wondering. relentless !

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

again, if u are concern about pork barrel. i salute u. ask all our elected govt officials to give it up. good luck.
the better approach would be to get involved and think positive on how we could help our poor workers with such development funds (or pork barrel), if the win miracle happens.

let us not judge harshly yet as whether its half cook or fully cook or whatever.
let Alyansa run its course. let us know Nid more. maybe, all it needs is a little (cooking) time.

approved or not approved.

if disapproved, as usual, we always learn something everyday, and we could do better next time. thats life.

if approved, then, it would be up to our democratic process.

With or without the fattening barrel, if it can not stand the heat ,better to step out of the kitchen then. I am very speculative at this stage. It has caused great humiliation so far, I would be cautious handing over the keys to the vault unless proven otherwise.

If they were as unprepared and as incompetent the first time around when they showed in COMELEC then it is a goner. And the rest of us will have to bear the aches, we have been painted badly...it is a slippery slope from here.

My point is you don't play the game and then do you practise while the ball is at play especially when the stake is very big. You practise before you show up for the tournament. And if things don't come your way. You complain about the rules or how the game was played.

I am just on guard position here my friend, I allow nobody to make a mess of my way of life nor will I apologise for it.

Again, if it can't hold water now, it is likely to sink our whole ship ..at the dockyard.

[tony777]

Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen

...If they were as unprepared and as incompetent the first time around when they showed in COMELEC then it is a goner...

my friend, i respect ur opinion, but i suggest we should not judge people so harshly.
after all, i believe that this is the first time they filed for party list, and they are no expert politicians. i suggest that we should give them a break. everybody makes mistakes. nobody is perfect. i believe their cause is a noble and worthy one for our poor, marginalized, and unrepresented sabong workers.

i could not comment on what happened in comelec because i was not there and i did not witness what happened.
where u there? did u read their filings?
please kindly enlighten us as to why u made such judgment.
thanks and god bless.

[ibong adarna]

Originally Posted by ChinaRose

bluelegged do I know you from way back the pitmaster days?
you seem to have the same style of arguements and manner
of writing. just wondering. relentless !

madam chinarose pls dont bother replying my partner(guaps juz drinker). He's just intoxicated with guapz juz which is his favorite drink coz it makes him 100% insane..

[VMT^Carmen]

Originally Posted by tony777

my friend, i respect ur opinion, but i suggest we should not judge people so harshly.
after all, i believe that this is the first time they filed for party list, and they are no expert politicians. i suggest that we should give them a break. everybody makes mistakes. nobody is perfect. i believe their cause is a noble and worthy one for our poor, marginalized, and unrepresented sabong workers.

i could not comment on what happened in comelec because i was not there and i did not witness what happened.
where u there? did u read their filings?
please kindly enlighten us as to why u made such judgment.
thanks and god bless.

Have you tried actually reading what you have said?
Being a first timer is no excuse, the stakes are high.
It is no place for a novice.

I will criticise it as long as COMELEC proves me wrong.
Please don't use the poor(gas gas na yan), it is creepy coming from you(who probably hasn't been a sabong worker) and thinkly plastic. You sound like the TRAPOs you wish to vanguish.

"where were u? did u read the filings?"
now that is not even worthy of a reply..nonsense. total nonsense.
Ask with relevance, at least try.