asinta ng tari

[jacket]

pagkatapos ipalo ng manok o stretch ang paa nya. How will it going to windraw it. Pahalikaw din ba palabas o pahila towards sa kanya. This has someting also to do with blade(body) angle.

[tjtornado]

Mga Bossing na Mananari,
Tanong ko lamang kung ano dahilan kung bakit
sumasabit ang tare ng manok sa kanyang sariling
bagwis sa oras ng laban???? Ano ang dahilan, papaano
ito maiiwasan?

cku lipa...........the post actually is not for you..........who is already interested in advance course.

it may be provocative........insulting if you say so...........but for me i view it in different way

i view it.........very challenging...........for aspiring beginners in this sport of cockfighting..........to excel........in what i think........the most easiest,shortest effective method.the words i use might be provocative.........insulting to some........but we are in real men`s sport......where the topic is blood and blade........at hindi kwentong barbero

hindi ko alam na naka insulto na pala ako noon.dahil kapag nang insulto ako......mas matindi doon.pasensiya na din kung may balat sibuyas dyan........alam ko kapag totoong sabungero ka......hindi ganyan......na onion skin.

there are many ways to skin a cat.......there are many ways to reach par five.............but the economical and effective way...I KNOW THERE IS......BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND IT....is still the ...........STRAIGHT LINE..............NOT SLICES..........NOT
HOOKS
breaking 100`s.......90`s........u know what i mean.......if you don`t excel in basics.......you will never be in a certain degree constant.......and i am from the old school of ...........BASIC FIRST.

i don`t post here for you to disagree......i stated my opinion........that`s it.........if you don`t like it...........don`t read it.......but if you insist it is provocative.......iritating.......then it`s you who wants to start an argument

he who angers you.............controls you
did i?

you don`t just hit the ball............you hit through the ball.....and that`s basic.

preng cku lipa.......it is just a discussion.........don`t let your emotions overcome you..........it might be that i am from the old school........and you are from the modern generation of cockfighters.i have my teetime soon this afternoon..........the sky here is clear and sunny

:lol:

[cku_lipa]

Salamat in advance.

Buhawi,

You have to reevaluate your way of posting. In a very short span of time (4 posts after your comment) there were three of us who disagreed with how you posted. Tama ka na hindi mo alam na nakakainsulto ka na. I am obligated to remind you this so that there will be less arguments in the future. Although we are in virtual world, this doesn't mean that there shouldn't be respect to one another. Kung sa actual na kitakits ito at hindi mo naman kilala pa ang mga taong kasalamuha at bigla mo na lamang babarahin yong isang tao baka suntok sa nguso ang abutin mo. We have to respect each other here. Sabi mo galing ka sa old school na sabungeros, ang alam ko sa old school na sabungeros ay maginoo at hindi asar.

Ang sinabi ko ay concurrent ang basic at ang advance hindi ko naman sinabi na wala pang basic ay advance na agad. At saka ang pagtatari ay hindi kahalintulad ng mga subject sa school na algebra at geometry muna bago ka makapag calculus. Sabi nga ng karamihan ay ang pagtatari ay art. We are talking about skills. Para din itong pag painting. May mga tao na kapag binigyan mo ng lapis ay kaya na nyang gumihit at gayanin ang isang bagay. Hindi mo na kailangan pa na mag aral ng drawing 101.

At ang pagkakaalam ko sa basic ng golf ay "to put the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes you can". Magaling ka kung mapasok mo ang bola ng isang stroke lang kesyo slice pa yan o draw.

Sometimes people should be reminded about the basics of life, respect to others is one of them.

There is nothing wrong in stating ones opinion(s) because we are all free to express our own opinion(s). It is in the matter of HOW we express our opinion that we at times encounter our shortcomings. We should be cognizant of the fact that we are addressing a public forum in which people from all walks of life partakes. Let us keep in mind that not everyone has the same level of tolerance especially when it comes to sarcasm, insult and derogatory remarks. I am confident that each of us can convey our opinion without sarcasm, insult and any derogatory remarks. Albeit the fact that the discussion is about “ blood and blade “ as pointed out, it still does not mean that everyone has thick skin and therefore we should just throw caution into the wind. It is incumbent upon us to maintain a certain level of decorum especially when we are engaged in a serious discussion. Being real men (as mentioned), each of us is entitled to a degree of respect. Let us live up to the true meaning of a “sabungero”.

cku lipa..........you are entitled to your own opinion.........nasabi ko na rin ang opinyon ko.........at wala akong dapat baguhin.......

i don`t post here to satisfy all wishes.......in general ang post ko.........wala akong personal na tinukoy na particular na pangalan sa mga last post ko..........ika ngay bato bato sa langit........tamaan huwag magagalit............e may nag react ..........malay ko bang ikina klasifica ang sarili nila sa mga yun:lol:

may prinsipyo rin ako.........ang nasabi ko ay nasabi ko na...hindi kona ibu bwelta.....kahit magkaputukan........sama na nguso.....tutal naman may naunang bumanggit nyan......hindi ako:lol:

sinabi ko paninindigan ko.........e ano naman kung magkita tayo.......tinatakot mo ba ako?

[jepoy723]

Nabago na yata ang ihip ng hangin?? Kala ko si gua7 lang hinde pala..:hippie: :hippie:

[Budol_Budol]

asinta ng tari.........ang topic dito.
back to topic

[equalizer1]

meron talaga mga taong mapang-asar magaling sa written pero mahina sa actual hehehe...GOD BLESS

Is " Asinta sa Tari " the topic here?

For a minute there I thought it was " How to Reply Sarcastically Without a Care ".

I was just getting comfortable when someone broke the news that it wasn't.

Asinta ng tari dapat tama ang kalaban!!!:lol:

ice breaker lang medyo mainit dito.:rbounce:

[al2k67]

nakita ko kasi na may mexican short knife ka at pagkakaalam ko na sunod sa tahid ang asinta nila kagaya ng pagtari ko. tanong ko lang kung meron silang design na wasak kung tumama. tanong ko na rin kung bakit halos lahat ng design ng tari nila ay medyo may angle pataas bago dumating sa puno or garol kagaya ng half moon or rat tail na design? balak ko kasing magpagawa ng long knife version nito pero gusto ko muna alamin ang mga opinion nyo. thanks

[Black Jap]

maganda ang presentation mo.

base kasi sa theory ko, ang basis ko parati ay ang tahid. simulan ko sa pagsukat ng tari na gagamitin. kung ang traditional na method ay from prop toe to knee joint, ang sa aking ay from the center of spur to knee joint, medyo may kaigsian. Subukan mo etong ehemplo ko, ang tari ko mid point 1" ang drop from center of spur.

Example eto ang sukat ng paa:
A = from center of spur to knee joint = 2 1/2 inches
B = from (under) the prop toe to the center of spur = 1inch
C = from under the prop toe to knee joint or A + B = C or 3 1/2

now make a circle using C or 3 1/2 inches as the radius. if we have a right angle from the center of the spur. take note kung saan dumadaan ang dinrawing nating circle.

sukatin natin from spur hanggang sa side ng circle, it will be approximately 2 1/2 inches (wala kasi akong compass dito, kung sakali man magkaroon ng error yan maliit na masyado).

ngayon, kung parang bisagra ang joint ng paa ng manok, halos perfect ang taas at haba ng tari natin. pasensya na mahina ako sa presentasyon, kayo na ang bahalang magsukat.

[TabukSuba]

Ehem. ubo.ubo. May tumawag ba ng pulis???

Napakaganda ng topic na ito para masira lang sa ASARAN!!!

Back to topic tayo....hala tuwad!!! :lol:

AYAN NA ANG PULISSSSS!!!! TAKBO NA KAYO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

IWASAN NA KASING MAG-ASARAN!!! HEHEHEH!!!

[earan]

black jap,

mukhang ikaw lang ang may naintindihan sa drawing ko ah! hehehe...

so ang sinasabi mong pagkuha ng haba ng tari ay base sa distance ng knee joint to spur + spur to prop toe. yung imaginary radius nito ay dun magta tangent ang dulo ang tari. kung iko convert natin yan lumalabas na tama yung methodology sa sabungan na sinusukat ang haba from prop toe to knee joint, tama ba?
lumalabas din na sa consideration mo ay nanggagaling lang ang swing ng palo from knee joint.

sa drawing presentation ko ay makikita na ang swing ng palo ay combination ng knee joint at leg joint (yellow arc dashed line). dito lumalabas din na tama yung methodology again sa sabungan na pag flyer ang manok ay mas mahaba dapat ang tari sa knee joint at maiksi naman kapag grounder dahil reference ito sa origin ng palo ng manok.

yung asinta sa wet-pu ay hinde ako sang ayon dyan dahil malaki ang distance variation nyan sa x-y position. saka pag umasinta ka sa wet-pu, maa apektuhan din ang setting base sa haba ng blade.

[jon_elasigue]

earan,

yung asinta ko, okey na ba?

[sugbo_slashers]

al2k67,

may mga pawasak ng design for SK. nakakatulong din ang setting ng blade. ang pattern namin na galing mexico ay 11 o clock ang set. medialuna ang design.

about sa rat tail...super high point ang blade...pag-iisipan ko muna kung ano ang posibleng patama nito

this picture says a ............thousand words.......

dan gray fowl........in pounding action.........hammering his downed opponent.

ibang lahi........ibang palo........

ang dan gray na ito......ay palo halos sa itaas nang gagaling.....parang martilyong ibinabagsak......

yung lemon ni dicky lim.........iba namang sumiyapol sa ibaba.....medyo nanggagaling sa side.

ang high point at medyo mahabang tari..........maganda......hanggat nasa itaas pa ang laban........

pero ang taring ito.......pagdating sa dragfight..........hindi na itinatama :lol:

this picture is an example...........10 minuto ang inabot.........sang katerbang palo ang ginawa sa dragfight........hindi itinama.......nahinong na lang ang kalaban sa mga unang tama sa initial........aerial buckles.

ang paa ng manok .........sa dragfight........halos hindi na maitaas para yung tip ng knife at tumama at bumaon........bahagya na lang ang anagat ng paa...........puro bayo ng pakpak:lol:

very educational, thanks sa mga nagshare ng kanilang expertise sa field ng pagtatari. its true that every cocker should learn how to tie the knief, para may idea sila kung ang tari ng manok nila ay maayos o hindi, iwas sisi sa iba kasi nakita mo naman ang asinta ng tari ng manok mo kahit na hindi ikaw ang kumabit. sa akin kahit anung ganda ng asinta ng tari it would never guarantee us victory, we should always keep in mind na may tari din ang kalaban. the factor here is kung sino ang unang tatama at kung sino ang tatama ng maganda. thats why we breed exceptional fowls with exceptional cutting ability para sure tayo ang makakauna. so we should always consider 3 things, the fowl the blade and luck. for me its 40% cutting, 10% knife, and 50% luck. CHEERS!!!:smoke:

[sugbo_slashers]

nangyari to kahapon while I was tying the knife, I was using my fork w/o ring tabak knife..full esqualado at in 1 o clock set

nasagad ko ang slasher pad to the right kaya bumaba ang paunan. pagkabit ko ng tari, nagtaka ako bakit lampas ng konti sa tahid ang tip ng knife

imbes na gumamit pa ako ng thicker na paunan, I adjusted until the tip of the blade was touching the line coming from the center of the spur. i noticed that the base of the knife was almost directly under the leftmost part of the spur. in short, the base of the knife was almost parallel to the spur

normally, ang obvious na balabag na setting will be flagged by the management and wont let the fight push through...no one noticed even though the fight was delayed while the inside bets were being evened. kabado ako kasi baguhan pa ako sa sabungan at baka mapahiya pati teacher ko na regular din na mananari doon.

larga ang sultada at nanalo kami. fluke win ?

[al2k67]

earan
salamat sa drawing mo at marami akong natutunan. nabuksan ko sya sa autocad kaya kitang kita ko.

sugbo_slasher
salamat sa reply mo tungkol sa short knife. baka pwede mo naman kwento kung ano ang mga patama ng pinanalo mo sa kalaban? salamat ulit.

[sugbo_slashers]

al2k67, if you are referring to what happened last Sunday...

on the first buckle, chest to chest na salpukan...the cock I gaffed had slipped in a torso shot. down ang kalaban. our cock made a strafing run at nabaon ang tabak sa leeg. it was a clean win.

i still remember what I did and I will attempt to replicate it with a cut-off leg. i-post ko dito ang pic. next monday ko pa ma-ipost.

another observation: while we were waiting for the fight to begin, it looked like na pasok ang tari habang may scabbard pa.

when the scabbard was removed and the cocks released..maganda tingnan ang pagkakabit while the cock was inching its way to its opponent

[Black Jap]

correct me if i'm wrong, regarding your setting. if your base of your knife is placed on the leftmost part of the spur, then the neck of the knife will pass over the prop toe. unlike the traditional setting that the neck is somewhere at the right side of the prop toe.

you're setting cannot be achieve if your knife has a toe ring. the neck should also be curved like that of a socket knife, so it will not touch the prop toe, right?

[sugbo_slashers]

sorry for the confusion:

the text

"i noticed that the base of the knife was almost directly under the leftmost part of the spur. in short, the base of the knife was almost parallel to the spur
"

should have been

"i noticed that the NECK of the knife was almost directly under the leftmost part of the spur. in short, the NECK of the knife was almost parallel to the spur"

sorry about that BlackJap...and I indicated in 'fluke' post that I was using a fork w/o ring...

fluke win kaya to or we may have stumbled on a good setting?

[cku_lipa]

Does anybody here has an opinion or experience in Indonesian blade or Indonesian "Taji"? Interesting to see that they align or attached it on the palm of the rooster's foot and seems the blade was attached/aligned in the prop toe.



Indonesian Blade


Indonesian Blade alignment

Our former handler gaffer swears how fast this Indonesian blade kills. He fought sometime ago in Indonesia using roosters from the Philippines. He used our Filipino slasher knife when he fought there and experience a lot of defeats. He was homebound to the Philippines after one month of fighting roosters there. Please take note that the roosters he fought there were quality roosters.