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Old January 3rd, 2011, 01:26 PM   #61
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under the motto......DONT SHARE WITH STRANGERS YOUR BLOODLINES NA WALA KANG PANGONTRA.

you`ll never know
malay mo isa sa mga binigyan mo ng manok ay magiging kalaban mo......sa ruweda...hehe
may baraha kang pangontra

we breed different line from different breeders
pag pinagbibitaw bitaw natin mga produce sa bawat linyada
ay dyan mo makikita ang mga antidotes.....tandaan mo na lang kung anong linyada nakaka check sa laro ng isang linyada
then it is safe to give to your so called friends yung mga linyada mong may antidote ka na
Bossing, tanong ko lang, pano mo magagamit ung ganitong style (antidotes) sa derby fights assuming di mo naman kilala ang manok na makakabangga mo?
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 01:33 PM   #62
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sang-ayon ako dito at nangyayari lamang to kung proven na "pre-potent" ang iyong brodcock... kung tayo ay seller palagay nyo ba ay ibebenta natin ang ating pre-potent na brodcock? remember na ang usapan dito ay "infusion" at ang nagtanong ay mag acquire ng pang infuse...

kaya kung ako ang mag acquire ng pang "infuse" ay mas prefered ako sa hen or pullet... pero kailangan maging logical din tayo sa pagpili ng hen or pullet kasi sabi nga nila di eto na spar tulad ng stag or cock para makita kaagad natin ang kagalingan at porma... ang tangi ko lang basehan dito ay yung abilidad sa mga kapatid nilang lalaki at syempre nandun na yung appearance at body confirmation ng hen or pullet...

pullet or hen ang pang infuse kasi meron na tayong strain or palahi na subok na natin at kailangan lang natin etong ma enhance by infusing a new blood right?... so tawagin nating tong 100% luma brodcock at ipares sa 100% bago (infusion) hen or pullet... ang mga anak ng hen (bago) na to ay magkakaroon ngayon ng 50/50 sa bago at sa lumang bloodline ko... at kung di ako satisfied sa resulta ng breeding na to ay ibabalik ko ang anak na (50/50) sa luma kung linya using another brodcock para di tataas ang in-breeding coefficient (remember na 100% proven ko na to so meron akong 1 or more brodcocks dito) para liliit na lang ang % sa bagong infusion... ang maging resulta nito ay 3/4 luma 1/4 bago at syempre tanggalin na rin yung iba... ngayon sa 3/4 luma 1/4 bago ay di pa rin ako kuntento eh puedeng ibalik ulit sa lumang liinya para lalo pang liliit ang % ng bago or palit na lang ng pang infuse kung di na kaya ng ating pasensya...
Para sa akin Sir, pag Hindi maganda sa 50/50, sa papaya na ang susunod na cross.
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@jmj...uu nga naman dpat sa 50-50 ay satisfactory na, pra me katarungan png infusan to make it best!
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 02:31 PM   #64
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yung nakausap ko ang isang master breeder ng lemon sa negros occidental ikwenento niya sa akin paano siya nag infuse ng ibang linya para ma improve ang lemon strain niya... at yun ang sinabi niya sa akin pag di siya kuntento sa 50/50 lemon/new blood ay binabalik niya sa lemon family niya para i breed-out ang new blood pag di pa rin siya kuntento 3/4 1/4 lemon/new blood ay ibabalik pa niya ulit hanggang 7/8 1/18... kaya sabi ko nung post ko na kung mawalan tayo ng pasensya di kuha na lang ulit ng bagong linyada na i infuse... o kaya katayin na lang lahat sa 50/50 pa...
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yung nakausap ko ang isang master breeder ng lemon sa negros occidental ikwenento niya sa akin paano siya nag infuse ng ibang linya para ma improve ang lemon strain niya... at yun ang sinabi niya sa akin pag di siya kuntento sa 50/50 lemon/new blood ay binabalik niya sa lemon family niya para i breed-out ang new blood pag di pa rin siya kuntento 3/4 1/4 lemon/new blood ay ibabalik pa niya ulit hanggang 7/8 1/18... kaya sabi ko nung post ko na kung mawalan tayo ng pasensya di kuha na lang ulit ng bagong linyada na i infuse... o kaya katayin na lang lahat sa 50/50 pa...
sori 7/8 1/8 to hindi 7/8 1/18 hehe tao lang po...
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:04 PM   #66
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kaya mahal,magastos at time consuming ang pagbi breed
dahil ihahanap mo ng timpla kung saan sila lalaro ng maganda

korekek .......... kaya mahal din ang palahi nila lalo na yung mga inbred na binalik balik nila
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:44 PM   #67
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yung nakausap ko ang isang master breeder ng lemon sa negros occidental ikwenento niya sa akin paano siya nag infuse ng ibang linya para ma improve ang lemon strain niya... at yun ang sinabi niya sa akin pag di siya kuntento sa 50/50 lemon/new blood ay binabalik niya sa lemon family niya para i breed-out ang new blood pag di pa rin siya kuntento 3/4 1/4 lemon/new blood ay ibabalik pa niya ulit hanggang 7/8 1/18... kaya sabi ko nung post ko na kung mawalan tayo ng pasensya di kuha na lang ulit ng bagong linyada na i infuse... o kaya katayin na lang lahat sa 50/50 pa...
eto yung tanong ko sa na unang post ko salamat
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ANTIDOTE is only against your own linyada na ibinigay mo noon sa ibang tao o kaibigan mo at makakaharap mo mismo sa laban.siguro naman sa tagal mong bini breed ang linyada mo ay kilala mo na yan at alam mo din ang pangontra dyan sa binuo mong linyada
Kaya nga po ang tanong ko, alin ang gagamitin mo sa derby, ung old line mo o ung antidote line mo? Assuming na di mo nman alam kung sino ang makakabangga mo (assuming na din na sumali ang mga binigyan mo dati ng manok pero di ka sigurado na magkakabanggaan kau sa loob ng ruweda).

In theory, may mga bloodline ka na pwede mo ipamigay, at may bloodline ka na for personal use, tama po ba?
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:59 PM   #69
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Mga ka-breeders hingi lang po ng payo..kung meron kayong gustong eh dag-dag sa sa palahi nyo..alin ang gagamitin nyong pang Infuse Hen oh Brcock? Kunyari po sample lang..meron na kayong na produce na lemon/sweater (50/50) (meron na kayong pareho nitong stag at pullet at gusto mo namang haluan ng kunting hatch..aling hatch naman ang gagamitin mo pang salang, brcock oh hen? Ano ang pag kakaiba?

Salamat po at Happy Holidays sa inyong lahat..
In this case, if I were to choose... Lemon-Sweater broodcock ang gagamitin kong pang infuse... over a select GL Hatch broodhen... select the best YL pullet sa offspring and linebreed back sa Lemon-Sweater broodcock... BUT if its a YL Hatch broodcock... I will use the YL Hatch broodcock over the Lemon-Sweater broodhen and select the best YL stag and breed him back to the Lemon-Sweater broodhen... either way is good... 5/8 and 3/8.

Happy New Year !!!
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In this case, if I were to choose... Lemon-Sweater broodcock ang gagamitin kong pang infuse... over a select GL Hatch broodhen... select the best YL pullet sa offspring and linebreed back sa Lemon-Sweater broodcock... BUT if its a YL Hatch broodcock... I will use the YL Hatch broodcock over the Lemon-Sweater broodhen and select the best YL stag and breed him back to the Lemon-Sweater broodhen... either way is good... 5/8 and 3/8.

Happy New Year !!!
cystal clear, hindi kana malilito nito.........salamat at happy new year!
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Mga ka-breeders hingi lang po ng payo..kung meron kayong gustong eh dag-dag sa sa palahi nyo..alin ang gagamitin nyong pang Infuse Hen oh Brcock? Kunyari po sample lang..meron na kayong na produce na lemon/sweater (50/50) (meron na kayong pareho nitong stag at pullet at gusto mo namang haluan ng kunting hatch..aling hatch naman ang gagamitin mo pang salang, brcock oh hen? Ano ang pag kakaiba?

Salamat po at Happy Holidays sa inyong lahat..

Para sa akin, IF i have the means.... I'll try BOTH WAYS..

'Infuse' Cock to your favorite Bloodline and
Favorite Bloodline to your 'infuse' Hens (Pen A & Pen B)....

It may be a bit expensive but you have more options and selections in the long run..
Select the Best.. ARROZCALDO the rest...
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Para sa akin, IF i have the means.... I'll try BOTH WAYS..

'Infuse' Cock to your favorite Bloodline and
Favorite Bloodline to your 'infuse' Hens (Pen A & Pen B)....

It may be a bit expensive but you have more options and selections in the long run..
Select the Best.. ARROZCALDO the rest...
Pwede rin.................................marami kasing pweding gawin,kaya nasa sa atin na yun paano tayo mag infuse

at yung hindi papasa eh wow ang sarap ng pospas hehehe
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Pwede rin.................................marami kasing pweding gawin,kaya nasa sa atin na yun paano tayo mag infuse

at yung hindi papasa eh wow ang sarap ng pospas hehehe
Tama ka Sir. Nasa preference ng breeder kung anong style ang gagamitin niya.
Parehong pwede...
Nasa individual na manok din nakasalalay ang pag-'nick', hindi lang po sa bloodline.

Ang importante, yung dati mong bloodline na nainfusan, dapat
mas magaganda ang performance nila (at tataas ang expectations mo )

Pansariling opinion lang po mga kasabong..


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Tama ka Sir. Nasa preference ng breeder kung anong style ang gagamitin niya.
Parehong pwede...
Nasa individual na manok din nakasalalay ang pag-'nick', hindi lang po sa bloodline.

Ang importante, yung dati mong bloodline na nainfusan, dapat
mas magaganda ang performance nila (at tataas ang expectations mo )

Pansariling opinion lang po mga kasabong..


Chris Jr
Merong mga tao na ma swerti talaga sa kanilang breeding, ibig ko pong sabihin ay yung nag nick ka agad yung matching nila, matatatas yung winning percentage nila............dito nalang natin malalaman kung magaling talaga sila kung paano niya ma mi maintain yun palahi na yun kasi after how many years passed ay mag di deteriorate na yung palahi na yun

At kailangan na niya mag infuse ng bagong blood sa existing winning line nya. Dito rin ay hindi pa sure kung ano ang maging resulta

(Ang importante, yung dati mong bloodline na nainfusan, dapat
mas magaganda ang performance nila (at tataas ang expectations mo)

oo tama ka dyan sir
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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:33 AM   #75
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Para sa akin, IF i have the means.... I'll try BOTH WAYS..

'Infuse' Cock to your favorite Bloodline and
Favorite Bloodline to your 'infuse' Hens (Pen A & Pen B)....

It may be a bit expensive but you have more options and selections in the long run..
Select the Best.. ARROZCALDO the rest...
Very valid itong ke Sis Chrisjr salamat po..pero kagaya ng na bangit nyo "a bit expensive" at hindi lang iyon panahon din ang dadaan para malaman natin ang mabuti. Kaya naman para makatipid minarapat naman nating mag tanong at humingi ng payo sa mga betiranong breeders na may magandang loob para makatulong sa mga baguhan..
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Very valid itong ke Sis Chrisjr salamat po..pero kagaya ng na bangit nyo "a bit expensive" at hindi lang iyon panahon din ang dadaan para malaman natin ang mabuti. Kaya naman para makatipid minarapat naman nating mag tanong at humingi ng payo sa mga betiranong breeders na may magandang loob para makatulong sa mga baguhan..
OO sir Ariel, Pera at panahon ang nakataya dito...

Pag-gagamit ka ng cock at hen, may karagdagang option ka kung saan ka lulugar sa dalawang side..
May mga Cock at hen kasi na pre-potent... Kung hindi mo man napili sa cock, baka sa dalawang inahen,
may natumbok ka duon na isa. . You saved time, pero magasto naman..

Sabi nga nila, Ang Breeding ay Trial AND ERROR... And
Every individual is a Unique Being...

So the more option you have, the better for your breeding plan.. IF YOU HAVE THE MEANS..

Pero sa akin, sa Cock ako naka side.

Opinion ko lang po.

Chris Jr

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nice thread...............
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:18 PM   #78
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Para sa akin, IF i have the means.... I'll try BOTH WAYS..

'Infuse' Cock to your favorite Bloodline and
Favorite Bloodline to your 'infuse' Hens (Pen A & Pen B)....

It may be a bit expensive but you have more options and selections in the long run..
Select the Best.. ARROZCALDO the rest...
these also works... 2 to 3 deeps lang para di gaanong dumami ang angkan... baka mawala sa focus ang pag hahanap ng "nick" from the original bloodlines.
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very interesting topic kaya i-up pa natin..
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Taas ko lang para sa lahat ng mga breeders dyan..
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Old January 5th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #81
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para practical.. suggestion ko hen... mas mura ang presyo ng hen at infuse lng naman...
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para practical.. suggestion ko hen... mas mura ang presyo ng hen at infuse lng naman...
ok rin to, aprob!

Tingnan muna ang mga kapatid na lalaki
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ok rin to, aprob!

Tingnan muna ang mga kapatid na lalaki



pero kung may budget .. stag ang gamitin para mabilis mapadami... straight line na stag x sa 50x50 (exsisting) na pullets for a 3 way cross... ang risk eh kung di maganda ung combination... mas madami ang pang tinola...
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ang isang mainam na linyada na ating mini mintina sa farm ay lumiliit sa tagal ng panahon gawa ng line at in breeding.
para maibalik sa magandang size sila ay nag iinfuse tayo ng mainam at subok na dugo rin from other breeders.
ngayon ang tanong ay kung cock side o henside ang infusion?
para sa kin ay cock side from other breeder ang infusion ko dahil ang cock na bibilin ko ay mapipili ko ang magandang size,station,body built.siya imi mate ko sa mga medyo maliit ko nang mga inbred hens.usually ang mga offsprings minamana nila ang laki din ng ama nilang broodcock.pag malaki broodcock.....malamang na malaki rin ang mga magiging mga anak.

ngayon gumawi naman tayo sa inbred brooodcock natin na gusto nating infusan ng blood through henside from other breeder.okay yung hen na infusion kasi mas mura.but......kung ang ama ay medyo maliit kasi inbred at imi mate natin sa hen na okay ang size.....ang lalabas na anak ay merong ka size ng broodcock at medyo may malaki rin.meaning ibat iba ang sizes ng mga anak.that is from my breeding experience.

so kung ako tatanungin uli.....cock side from other breeder ang infusion ko sa mga baseblood kong hens.just get a fresh broodcock that has the size,station and body built i want to infuse.
magandang paliwanag at eto ay according sa experience nya, goodluck !
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infusion is for straightbred fowl......not pure but straightbred
infusion is the introduction of fresh blood of another straightbred fowl to your straightbred fowl to bring back the vigor and proper size lose through years of line and in breeding.

if you infuse straightbred to cross fowl that is not infusion.....that is crossbreeding

the common practice of known breeders is to infuse fresh blood of other good winning straightbred fowl and then breed out the succeeding years until it becomes only a small fraction.
Napaka ganda talagang mag paliwanag itong si Supremo54...saludo ako sa inyo Sir..maraming salamat..
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infusion is for straightbred fowl......not pure but straightbred
infusion is the introduction of fresh blood of another straightbred fowl to your straightbred fowl to bring back the vigor and proper size lose through years of line and in breeding.

if you infuse straightbred to cross fowl that is not infusion.....that is crossbreeding

the common practice of known breeders is to infuse fresh blood of other good winning straightbred fowl and then breed out the succeeding years until it becomes only a small fraction.
Master Supremo,

ang ganda ng mga paliwanag mo sir, peru di ba pwede rin tayong mag infuse sa ating mga manok for battle cross purposes kasi nga may kulang sila...

or sa termino lang ng paggamit ang deperensya , maliban sa infusion ano pa ba ang mga termino nito?

salamat
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pero kung may budget .. stag ang gamitin para mabilis mapadami... straight line na stag x sa 50x50 (exsisting) na pullets for a 3 way cross... ang risk eh kung di maganda ung combination... mas madami ang pang tinola...
palagay ko lang, ang pinaka una sa lahat ay dapat na alamin ang reason/s bakit nangangailangan ng infusion ang existing line of say, 50-50. kung ano man ang kakulangan (general point of view of a good battle strain) ng existing line na ito ay syang dapat na i infuse... e.g., if lacks punch... then infuse power bloodlines... then grade the line as it comes... for the better.
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palagay ko lang, ang pinaka una sa lahat ay dapat na alamin ang reason/s bakit nangangailangan ng infusion ang existing line of say, 50-50. kung ano man ang kakulangan (general point of view of a good battle strain) ng existing line na ito ay syang dapat na i infuse... e.g., if lacks punch... then infuse power bloodlines... then grade the line as it comes... for the better.
Agree ako Sir Lexlavin.. Kung ano pa ang kulang sa cross mo, i cross mo ulit sa bloodline na gusto mong idagdag ang laro.. then kung ok na, set them as a family.. then saka ka maginfuse kung may kulang pa as family/strain
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Re: INFUSE Cock oh Hen gamit?

Share lang ako ng sariling opinion.

Sa amin broadcock/broadstag palagi ang ginagamit namin pag nag testing ng bagong cross. Mas madaling mapaparami at madali din alisin pag di magustuhan ang resulta.


Ang isa pang rason kung bakit kailangan mag cross at eh breed out ang pinag infuse na linyada ay para ma improve ulit ang hybrid vigor ng manok. Kapag nag linebreed/inbreed ng linyada humihina din ang hybrid vigor nila.






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Re: INFUSE Cock oh Hen gamit?

magandang sharing of ideas ito............
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