The best conditioning method

[Bravo]

GOOD DAY..PLS POST YOUR BEST CONDITIONING METHOD YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH YOU FIGHTERS IN THE PIT. I JUST WANT TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE IN YOUR PERSONAL CONDITIONING METHOD. NO SECRETS PLS. . . GOD BLESS TO ALL COCKMATES

P.s. tagalog or english ang post ok lng po. salamat

[purebreed8]

the modern way to condition roosters especially for the long knife is rotation and lots of sparring. I follow the "charlie carr keep" about 90% of the way.I just change it a little on the feed and medication but about 90% the same.

[Bravo]

Sir,
pls. post how you condition your fighters. . i would be glad if you give some tips on preparing your battle fowls. i'm pretty sure our fellow cockers will also post their secrets..thnx

[purebreed8]

The Charlie Carr Modern Knife and Gaff Keep

Most knife fights are decided in a few seconds after the rooster leaves your hand. Cutting ability,aggressiveness, sense, health, and speed are what it takes to win quick, which is
what you want to do. Mental condition is 80% of condition is a well fed knife or gaff
cock.
He must have his mind on absolutely nothing but the other rooster.
This mental condition is achieved by a good week of pre-keep in which the roosters
are gentled and acquainted slowly with their new surroundings.
You may think when you follow this keep you are not really conditioning the roosters
you are partly right because what we are trying to do is get the rooster ready to
fight. Without losing any of his natural abilities, especially his cutting ability.
In conditioning for the gaff or short knife the keep is the same except during the work
week you may want to fly the rooster on the work board: or move him more times.
Start with 5 flys and work up to 15. Hold the rooster lower that the board: about 3
feet out and release him at the board. This is optional, I think it's more for you than
the rooster. Most people quit hand working roosters years ago, even for the gaff. Any
keep or video you see with board work is dated to say the least.

Acquaint roosters with all stalls and pens they are going to be in.
Feed twice a day - start with 2oz. feed per feeding. Feed dry in morning. Wet with
about 1 ounce of buttermilk at night.
Give 1 - teaspoon of chopped vegetables and fruits at noon each day of entire 3
week keep up to Wednesday of the third week.
The pre-keep is mainly for mental conditioning.
Spar everyday in pre-keep, just 2 buckles. Also tease in and off pens.
Feed
Morning feed: 50% laying pellets (18%)
25% Cracked corn
5% Wheat
5% Barley
5% Dry Blue Ribbon dog food (21%)
5% Calf manna
5% Oat groats

[purebreed8]

Night Feed: 75% above mixture 25% Cooked pearl barley and buttermilk
Feeding and Conditioning Procedure
At 7 am go to the cockhouse and get the cocks from the stalls where you put them
the night before. Be sure they have no feed in their craw, then put them in the fly
pens. Throw 1 1/2oz of the morning feed on the litter. When the cocks are taken from
the fly pens, check the pen to see if all the feed has been eaten. If not cut the
amount by 1/4oz the next morning. You can increase by the same amount if he cleans
up real quick and still acts hungry.
Leave the cocks in the fly pens for an hour then follow the morning schedule below:
8 am - 10 am ....................................Strings
10 am - 12 noon ...............................4 X 6 pens
12 noon - 2 pm .................................Round pens
2 pm - 3 pm ......................................4 X 4 pens
3 pm - 4 pm ......................................Back to fly pens
At noon feed each rooster a heaping teaspoon of chopped vegetables and fruits. (Do
this the entire keep up to Wednesday of the third week.)
At 4 pm put the roosters in the stalls and feed the night feed.
Feed 2oz per bird. If he has any in is craw in the morning, feed 1/4oz less the next
night. On
Monday, Wednesday, and Friday of the first week, put one tablespoon of redcell
vitamins per six cocks on night feed.
On Tuesday and Thursday of the first week put one tablespoon of desicated liver per
six cocks on night feed. Starting Sunday, the 7th day of the third week, change the
moving schedule to below:
Monday: Move 4 times.
Tuesday: Move 3 times.
Wednesday: Move 2 times.
Thursday: Move 1 time.
Friday: Rest day.
Monday of the third week put the roosters in stall at 4 pm.
Tuesday put them in stalls at 3 pm.
Wednesday at 2 pm. Thursday at 1 pm. On Friday rest all day or half a day, use own
judgement. Nervous or high strung roosters require less rest.
The idea is to move the cocks less and less each day of the last week until the day
before the fight. Starting Monday of the second week, increase the amount of
cracked corn in the morning and night feed by 15% per day.
Starting on Wednesday of the second week, discontinue the vitamins at night
feeding, also discontinue the vegetables and fruits at noon. Cut feed 1/4 ounce on
Thursday morning. Cut feed 1/4 ounce more on Thursday night. Friday

[purebreed8]

morning feed 1
1/2 ounce.
Point for knife: If you fight on Saturday at about noon, feed 1 teaspoon leveled of
half cracked corn and half barley wet with buttermilk on Friday night. Feed 1/4
teaspoon Saturday morning if the cock craps out very little or just "dots" early in the
morning. Keep droppings medium loose all during keep, even on fight day.
Point for gaff: On Friday night feed half a teaspoon of cracked corn and half hard
boiled egg white with a few drops of buttermilk over it.
Traveling Feed
This is going to be given in place of the night of travel. Give this feed just before you
box up and head out.
Take one box of knox plain gelatin and mix with 2 cups of water and 1/2 can (small
can) of pet milk and one tablespoon of sugar in a boiler. Stir and bring to a boil. Pour
into a pan 1" deep.
Put into refrigerator. Cut into 1" cubes and give to roosters just before you leave. If
they won't eat it, hand feed it. Use this feed when traveling long distance only. They
will not dry out and travel well. When traveling short distances, be sure there is no
feed in craw before you start.
Sparring
Once a day let the roosters buckle into each other one time and catch them
immediately. If a rooster gets hit and doesn't get to hit back he will tomorrow.
When the roosters feathers are green, which they will be until sometime in January or
February, hold a battered cock in your hand let the rooster to be sparred hit into him
once or twice a day. Hold the battered cock only one foot off the ground and offer
him straight into the cock to be sparred. Don't make your cock fly up after a cock. Bill
the cocks before you do the above.

THIS IS THE KEEP OF CHAMPIONS

[Bravo]

Wow sir, thnx alot. you really post very informative conditioning method. we're alot in common in conditioning, but you have youre natural way in keeping cocks. this will help me gain conditioning ways. do you inject your fighters?

[purebreed8]

bravo i tried to send you a pm but your mailbox is full.

[Bravo]

Originally Posted by purebreed8

bravo i tried to send you a pm but your mailbox is full.

Sir purebreed,
sorry my pm is full but already deleted the old ones.. i wil check your pm as soon you send it. i guess my question is vry complicated. i undrstand.. wil wait for your msg..

[Bravo]

sir purebreed, pls confirm if you receive my pm. im not sure if i sent it correctly.thnx

[headknock]

sir bravo,bago lang akong member dito..skilled selection and lots of chicken sense is the key
to become a successful cockfighter..all this conditioning aids is just a supplement to enhance their full potential..sana po ay mkatulong ito syo

[Bravo]

Originally Posted by headknock

sir bravo,bago lang akong member dito..skilled selection and lots of chicken sense is the key
to become a successful cockfighter..all this conditioning aids is just a supplement to enhance their full potential..sana po ay mkatulong ito syo

Salamat sir,

it will help that alot. if you want to share your conditioning method or post it here. evryone in this thread will love to see your skills.. thanx and goodluck, there will be no bad comments here or criticisms.

[sparkplug719]

Originally Posted by purebreed8

Night Feed: 75% above mixture 25% Cooked pearl barley and buttermilk
Feeding and Conditioning Procedure
At 7 am go to the cockhouse and get the cocks from the stalls where you put them
the night before. Be sure they have no feed in their craw, then put them in the fly
pens. Throw 1 1/2oz of the morning feed on the litter. When the cocks are taken from
the fly pens, check the pen to see if all the feed has been eaten. If not cut the
amount by 1/4oz the next morning. You can increase by the same amount if he cleans
up real quick and still acts hungry.
Leave the cocks in the fly pens for an hour then follow the morning schedule below:
8 am - 10 am ....................................Strings
10 am - 12 noon ...............................4 X 6 pens
12 noon - 2 pm .................................Round pens
2 pm - 3 pm ......................................4 X 4 pens
3 pm - 4 pm ......................................Back to fly pens
At noon feed each rooster a heaping teaspoon of chopped vegetables and fruits. (Do
this the entire keep up to Wednesday of the third week.)
At 4 pm put the roosters in the stalls and feed the night feed.
Feed 2oz per bird. If he has any in is craw in the morning, feed 1/4oz less the next
night. On
Monday, Wednesday, and Friday of the first week, put one tablespoon of redcell
vitamins per six cocks on night feed.
On Tuesday and Thursday of the first week put one tablespoon of desicated liver per
six cocks on night feed. Starting Sunday, the 7th day of the third week, change the
moving schedule to below:
Monday: Move 4 times.
Tuesday: Move 3 times.
Wednesday: Move 2 times.
Thursday: Move 1 time.
Friday: Rest day.
Monday of the third week put the roosters in stall at 4 pm.
Tuesday put them in stalls at 3 pm.
Wednesday at 2 pm. Thursday at 1 pm. On Friday rest all day or half a day, use own
judgement. Nervous or high strung roosters require less rest.
The idea is to move the cocks less and less each day of the last week until the day
before the fight. Starting Monday of the second week, increase the amount of
cracked corn in the morning and night feed by 15% per day.
Starting on Wednesday of the second week, discontinue the vitamins at night
feeding, also discontinue the vegetables and fruits at noon. Cut feed 1/4 ounce on
Thursday morning. Cut feed 1/4 ounce more on Thursday night. Friday

thanks for sharing sirs.

[purebreed8]

Originally Posted by headknock

sir bravo,bago lang akong member dito..skilled selection and lots of chicken sense is the key
to become a successful cockfighter..all this conditioning aids is just a supplement to enhance their full potential..sana po ay mkatulong ito syo

100% true! Selection is the key to winning. I dont care what keep you use or what you do to the rooster, if you don't have a good rooster to work with it will never be good. As the old saying goes " you cant turn a donkey into a thoroughbred."

[headknock]

Originally Posted by Bravo

Salamat sir,

it will help that alot. if you want to share your conditioning method or post it here. evryone in this thread will love to see your skills.. thanx and goodluck, there will be no bad comments here or criticisms.

sir bravo,
i dont have any standard conditioning method but i do have some supplement use for my gamefowl..it will takes about a week to explain what im talking about..i used a lot of cocking psychology approach hehehe and treated them as an individual..please check your brood pen,cull those frail and sickly individuals,use ax for those individuals that does not meet your standard or use for further experimentation(to test how game they are,catch cock etc)i would rather have a 20 very select cock than 200 that doesn't cull..LESS IS BETTER according to the late allen fischer a.k.a "tarheel"and glen duckworth a.k.a countyline(alive and kicking)..less mouth to feed.less attention less expenses,etc..and a friendly reminder bro..fight the cock when he is ready and not when you're ready..gud pm

[headknock]

Originally Posted by purebreed8

100% true! Selection is the key to winning. I dont care what keep you use or what you do to the rooster, if you don't have a good rooster to work with it will never be good. As the old saying goes " you cant turn a donkey into a thoroughbred."

sir purebreed8,
a harry parr approach oh i really love charlie carr as a writer in gamecock magazine during those days..it will stimulate my logic right and chicken senses and apply it to my chickens..happy cocking bro

[Bravo]

Originally Posted by headknock

sir bravo,
i dont have any standard conditioning method but i do have some supplement use for my gamefowl..it will takes about a week to explain what im talking about..i used a lot of cocking psychology approach hehehe and treated them as an individual..please check your brood pen,cull those frail and sickly individuals,use ax for those individuals that does not meet your standard or use for further experimentation(to test how game they are,catch cock etc)i would rather have a 20 very select cock than 200 that doesn't cull..LESS IS BETTER according to the late allen fischer a.k.a "tarheel"and glen duckworth a.k.a countyline(alive and kicking)..less mouth to feed.less attention less expenses,etc..and a friendly reminder bro..fight the cock when he is ready and not when you're ready..gud pm

Yes sir headknock,
Your very right..thats the fact of raising a fighters..we need to choose and who will survive the fittest..that is why i cull hard and start right.. i have the same vision like yours, i somestimes talk to them when i feed or condition them.hahaha as you said they must be treated like individual.. it will sure help me with your sensible advice.. thnx
thnx also to sir purebreed for sharing his thoughts..

[sparkplug719]

Originally Posted by headknock

sir bravo,
i dont have any standard conditioning method but i do have some supplement use for my gamefowl..it will takes about a week to explain what im talking about..i used a lot of cocking psychology approach hehehe and treated them as an individual..please check your brood pen,cull those frail and sickly individuals,use ax for those individuals that does not meet your standard or use for further experimentation(to test how game they are,catch cock etc)i would rather have a 20 very select cock than 200 that doesn't cull..LESS IS BETTER according to the late allen fischer a.k.a "tarheel"and glen duckworth a.k.a countyline(alive and kicking)..less mouth to feed.less attention less expenses,etc..and a friendly reminder bro..fight the cock when he is ready and not when you're ready..gud pm

nice input...sensible.

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