Gonna create the mother of all breeding software - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

Sentenciador · March 13th, 2012, 09:10 AM

Hi,

I need your help on this since I won't be able to figure out all the variables and inputs for this program.

But, I want to create the best gamecock specific breeding software on earth. What MS Excel does for accounting, I want this to do for breeding game chickens. Though it's geared for gamecocks, it will be flexible enough for other avian species as well.

So please use this thread and throw out all the features you'd like that pops in your heads.

Of course, it will be multi-platform. Windows, Mac, iPhone/iPad, Android.

Thanks!

oddbird66 · March 13th, 2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentenciador

Hi,

I need your help on this since I won't be able to figure out all the variables and inputs for this program.

But, I want to create the best gamecock specific breeding software on earth. What MS Excel does for accounting, I want this to do for breeding game chickens. Though it's geared for gamecocks, it will be flexible enough for other avian species as well.

So please use this thread and throw out all the features you'd like that pops in your heads.

Of course, it will be multi-platform. Windows, Mac, iPhone/iPad, Android.

Thanks!

Sir JC,

Our company uses Open Source technology to create different software applications. I believe we have already tried an experimental swine management app. We also created KahelOS which is the only pure Pinoy operating system right now. Lemme know if you need help on this.

Best regards,

Dondi

Sentenciador · March 13th, 2012, 10:05 AM

Great! Surely. We should discuss this further. When are you free to meet?

Also, you can start helping out by posting features you'd like in the breeding software

Thanks!

PS. Where can I get a copy of KahelOS? I'd like to try it out. Is it Linux-like?

oddbird66 · March 13th, 2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentenciador

Great! Surely. We should discuss this further. When are you free to meet?

Also, you can start helping out by posting features you'd like in the breeding software

Thanks!

PS. Where can I get a copy of KahelOS? I'd like to try it out. Is it Linux-like?

Most weekends are fine, but if you find yourself in Pasig you can visit the office in Kapitolyo. I'll ask the Tech guys here where you can download the latest version of KahelOS. I believe it's here but will check: http://www.kahelos.org/downloads.php. It's Linux based, same as our other products.

You can also check out www.8layertech.com to learn more about us.

I'll also ask the guys who created the swine management software what they did, then I'll suggest features for the gamefowl version..

Dondi

OWLBMC · March 13th, 2012, 10:26 AM

i use the mega ped software from man's best friend for my dogs.

you can check it out for two weeks for free by going to the website online.

it will give you some ideas. i use one kennel for my gamefowl.
it has a pedigree database, figures inbreeding coefficients, and you can figure the blood percentages on particular crosses for up to ten generations. it gives you a window that gives how many times and at what blood percentage each ancester appears in ten generations. you can upload pics into the program for id. you can keep any kind of records you care to with it on all your individual fowl.

it would be really nice to have that same program formatted for gamefowl.
but, if you check it out, it will give you some really good ideas for the software
you want to develop. just try it and imagine it for gamefowl and not dogs.

hope this helped...

Sentenciador · March 13th, 2012, 10:55 AM

Thanks Dondi. The url worked. The downloads are there.

OWL, is this the one? http://download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0...type=downloads

OWLBMC · March 13th, 2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentenciador

Thanks Dondi. The url worked. The downloads are there.

OWL, is this the one? http://download.cnet.com/1770-20_4-0...type=downloads

no sir, let me see if i can find it for you....

OWLBMC · March 13th, 2012, 11:16 AM

okay,

it's comapany changed names. go to www.pedfast.com and it will be the breeder's standard 2012 download...

it's been a pretty good while since i have gotten mine, so i really can't remember
all the particulars of the download/trial process, but when i got mine, i got a two week trial, then i could decide if i wanted to buy it or not...
i trialed a lot of software from other companies and this software was the best...

hope it helps you.

cnucum · March 13th, 2012, 11:27 AM

Boss JC,

I would suggest taking a look at this software...

http://www.birdsevolutionpro.com/

It's something very close to what you want, I have "tried" it and find it really works for the "gamefowl" breeding record keeping, but will need some "tweaking" to fit fully the needs of a gamefowl breeder...

I like how you can "bring/show up" a specific birds "family tree" up to a few generations back in this software. Plus you can print a card were in all the details of a specific bird.

I like also how you can "enter" each egg laid, what date and from what pair, from what pen, when they are sat on, what date they will hatch and then each egg again, if hatch or not, then each hatch, put details already on it.

All in a very "friendly" easy to use GUI...

By the way, the software also has a "breeder info database" where in you can put all the contact info and specifics of a breeder you purchased birds from, you can "tie up" this info with the specific bird also...

It's a really good record keeping software that covers a lot of requirements for avian record keeping...

MONGOOSE · March 13th, 2012, 12:11 PM

I find it admirable to even attempt something like this. I am just puzzled at how anyone can write a schematic of the infinite. There are just so many variables to consider for it to work for everyone and I'm not even getting into individual likes and dislikes.
Goodluck.

jailbird · March 13th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Hi Senti, please make it as idiot proof as possible. So that morons like me can use it! Please also make it be able to backtrack - I don't know the right term, I mean I put the rooster and then put his parents and their parents etc. Like I said, it has to be idiot proof hahahahaha!

Oddbird, my gulay call me re the swine software - we have a 3,200 sow breeding facility. Sorry off topic.

SBGamefarm · March 13th, 2012, 03:23 PM

thanks for taking on such a task. what will be the cost of the final product?

High Noon · March 13th, 2012, 04:06 PM

Sentenciador; I recently purchased the software program offered by zooeasy but haven't had time to work with the program as of yet. They offer a free trial. Web address is: zooeasy.com

Rolei · March 13th, 2012, 04:17 PM

sente:
if you wanted to build the best gamecock breeding software, try to input "bar code/ scanner". It will be handy for avian farmers to identify pedigree of birds on big cages, cockerels on range or breeders on pen without catching them.

Sentenciador · March 13th, 2012, 06:54 PM

How will the bar code scanner work? I don't know of anyone that barcodes his chickens for a scanner to read.

There is no price yet. It's too early for that. But it will be priced competitively, that's for sure.

Thanks for the inputs!

What about "predictive" feature? Meaning "what if i breed this and that, what will come come out? Aside from bloodline percentages, what about plumage, leg color, combs, etc." I will need a geneticist consultant for this.

anthony0079 · March 13th, 2012, 07:01 PM

This is a really good idea. but still, recording with a pen and paper is still a must. If your PC or laptop gets screwed, you wont be lost in translation

jmho

cnucum · March 13th, 2012, 07:05 PM

boss JC, the blood percentage will be good, i.e. 1/2-1/2, 3/4-14, 5/8-3/8, etc., but the "predictive feature" will be pushing it to much I think and will most likely confuse users... Instead, a "remarks" column/window/tab/box/cell or whatever for individual fowl will be a good addition along with the other information, sort of a "special trait note"...

Another cool feature will be an easier way to "sort" all fowls belonging to a certain combo/mix or related ones and having their "win/loss/draw" record "averaged" to get an accurate winning percentage...

Rolei · March 13th, 2012, 07:26 PM

scanners with laser point are been use for sheeps. i know a friend who microchips with gps his broodfowls.

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Originally Posted by Sentenciador

How will the bar code scanner work? I don't know of anyone that barcodes his chickens for a scanner to read.

There is no price yet. It's too early for that. But it will be priced competitively, that's for sure.

Thanks for the inputs!

What about "predictive" feature? Meaning "what if i breed this and that, what will come come out? Aside from bloodline percentages, what about plumage, leg color, combs, etc." I will need a geneticist consultant for this.

Sentenciador · March 13th, 2012, 08:13 PM

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Another cool feature will be an easier way to "sort" all fowls belonging to a certain combo/mix or related ones and having their "win/loss/draw" record "averaged" to get an accurate winning percentage...

That's a good input! Noted. Thanks.

deedly · March 14th, 2012, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentenciador

How will the bar code scanner work? I don't know of anyone that barcodes his chickens for a scanner to read.

You could use bar coded leg bands

Falkor · March 14th, 2012, 05:37 AM

JC,

If you make a software for derby matching let me know!

Sentenciador · March 14th, 2012, 10:50 AM

500 views and not many inputs?

C'mon, now is the chance to get your wish list in there before product development starts.

It's easier to put features now rather than after the product releases.

Thanks.

cnucum · March 14th, 2012, 11:47 AM

Another good one would be, each hen should have data for eggs layed/hatched and chick "survival" percentage. along with of course, her sons "win percentage on demand" would make tracing very good "proven" hens easier. A "stats button" for this would be nice, click it and show/print out these info for each hen...

Another one for stags/cocks, on their "win record data", can easily put in, when, where and what... when he won/loss, where he won/loss and what (derby or hack) won/loss... Again some sort of "record stats button" being clicked will show/print the info for each stag/rooster...

Just throwing some ideas there, that I think are necessary to keep a very good record of ones breeding...

cito358 · March 14th, 2012, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentenciador

Hi,

I need your help on this since I won't be able to figure out all the variables and inputs for this program.

But, I want to create the best gamecock specific breeding software on earth. What MS Excel does for accounting, I want this to do for breeding game chickens. Though it's geared for gamecocks, it will be flexible enough for other avian species as well.

So please use this thread and throw out all the features you'd like that pops in your heads.

Of course, it will be multi-platform. Windows, Mac, iPhone/iPad, Android.

Thanks!

Nice idea...sure many are waiting for this. my suggestion don't make the program complicated not many are computer wizard... just simple and informative.

tnx,
cito

oddbird66 · March 14th, 2012, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentenciador

500 views and not many inputs?

C'mon, now is the chance to get your wish list in there before product development starts.

It's easier to put features now rather than after the product releases.

Thanks.

I'm having the IT guys take a peek at this thread every so often so they know what you guys like...

clearfork · March 14th, 2012, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentenciador

How will the bar code scanner work? I don't know of anyone that barcodes his chickens for a scanner to read.

There is no price yet. It's too early for that. But it will be priced competitively, that's for sure.

Thanks for the inputs!

What about "predictive" feature? Meaning "what if i breed this and that, what will come come out? Aside from bloodline percentages, what about plumage, leg color, combs, etc." I will need a geneticist consultant for this.

I love this... something i been working on for my self. So ill give you my theory on how to make it work. In the fist year you enter you brood fowl...comb type, leg color..exct. Form the offspring that is produced the program would then calculate the genetic make up of each the cock and hen. From there it can calculate the percentages...they will throw.

Cossatot · March 15th, 2012, 01:40 AM

I use the ZooEasy software mentioned above.....the main thing I would like to see added would be competition win/loss records being attached to an individual so you could see win % for each ancestor and maybe an average win % for all ancestors of an individual.

Cossatot · March 15th, 2012, 01:58 AM

It seems like it would be very complicated to get the genetic make up of each bird in a program for layman breeders that would end up CORRECTLY calculating leg color, feather color etc. Because the correct information of the breeder bird's genetic make up would have to be known and entered to get a correct calculation, not to mention all the different possibilities that would have to be written into the code. So even if the code was written perfectly, the info being fed into it by the person who purchased the software would most likely not be correct in many instances......so expect alot of unwarranted complaints from users.....:-)

Galapong · March 15th, 2012, 02:53 AM

this is interesting..good luck..

clearfork · March 15th, 2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cossatot

It seems like it would be very complicated to get the genetic make up of each bird in a program for layman breeders that would end up CORRECTLY calculating leg color, feather color etc. Because the correct information of the breeder bird's genetic make up would have to be known and entered to get a correct calculation, not to mention all the different possibilities that would have to be written into the code. So even if the code was written perfectly, the info being fed into it by the person who purchased the software would most likely not be correct in many instances......so expect alot of unwarranted complaints from users.....:-)

I could see this being a prob...but if all they had to do is enter the leg or comb type should be pretty simple. Now for feather color it maybe to difficult. But for comb type and leg color i would think it would be possible... as there are not many genetic makes for those.