SELECTION - the real key to winning!

[sucess gamefarm]

Originally Posted by shuaijan 13

i usually look for roosters which although do not break high enough but have the ability to weave and duck.

weave an duck will get you killed in s/k because once hurt and you will get hurt the bird converts back to natural instints an behavior the weaving aint to bad if they are some what aggressive but the ducking is a traite best culled or bred out especially 4 s/k. but if it works for u keep it

[earan]

when i saw and adapted the selection process of PA during sparring, it increases my winning percentage compared to my old and self learned selection process. then i learn a new selection process by just holding the rooster and observing his behavior which is related to cutting, it increases my winning percentage compared to before. it is the same process i use when selecting a pullet/hen to be used for breeding. these rooster are accurate cutters and normally hits the soft spot or kilikili. if somebody wants to prove this system, i am willing to put my system into the test. let's say we go to a farm, you do your selection process by sparring, and mine will be by just holding the rooster and without sparring. i can guarantee, a high percentage of winning compared to the other...

[brownred kelso]

Originally Posted by sucess gamefarm

weave an duck will get you killed in s/k because once hurt and you will get hurt the bird converts back to natural instints an behavior the weaving aint to bad if they are some what aggressive but the ducking is a traite best culled or bred out especially 4 s/k. but if it works for u keep it

The weave duck and bob method will get you an azz whipping,,,anything with DUCK involved don't belong at a cockfight,,,,,unless you ever been told this old addage,,,no offence to any natioanlity, but this is the way i hear this story,,,,,,you know how you tell an Italian at a cockfight he brings a duck you know how to tell a gambler at the cockfight, he bets on the duck,,,you know how to tell if the mafia is involved,,,,,,DUCK WINS!!

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by earan

...if somebody wants to prove this system, i am willing to put my system into the test. let's say we go to a farm, you do your selection process by sparring, and mine will be by just holding the rooster and without sparring. i can guarantee, a high percentage of winning compared to the other...

Ok sir. On May 6, we will go to a farm. I will have a rooster ready. In fact, there will be a lot of birds. It would be a privilege to see your selection process in action. I will also bring the drinks, by the way.

[brownred kelso]

I don't need people meeting me,,, calling me,, holding hands with me or making friends with me,,, friends are to damn expensive,,,,off the information i have posted one of my dedicated readers posted 5 straights with 105 entry this past weekend, has thanked me several times, offered what ever i needed if anything, however as all you know by now, i'm not for sale, everything is just not about money,,,,,,but i will give you a few things to watch for and out of these three, you'll have some of the highest win percentages,,,,,,Go down in the cockhouse that last week,,,,,you want them baby's wide awake at all times,during the night get em like that,,,,you'll be happy at the show,,,,,,that last week,,,,when you move the birds in out of the stalls,,,,you wanna hear those toenails clickin on the roost,,,,kinda like dise clickin on a crap table,,,,you'll be proud,,,,,,lastly,,,,when you take em in and out of their resting stalls on show day,,,,they'll pop right in that stall when you put em up and when you take em back out,,,they'll pop right out in your hands,,,NOW IF YOU HAVE TO HELP EM IN THE STALLS AND THEN THEY DON'T WANNA COME OUT,,,GO HOME SAVE THEM AND YOU,,,all this compiled with a feel that is coiled and deadly feeling,,,,kinda like worms crawlin under their skin legs that feel huge compaired to the rest of the bird and alittle sharpe on the brest,,,but not famished feeling,,,,like em talking, eyes sparkling and when you pick the cocks up, i don't want the legs pulling up tight like an airplane retracting its landing gear,,,,no offence to anyone,,, i'm a recluse,,,if you wanna meet,,,go to Walmart and see one of those greeters,,,pretend it's me,,,,,,,BRK

[jpadilla]

Always like to read these posts learn somthing everytime.

[earan]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Ok sir. On May 6, we will go to a farm. I will have a rooster ready. In fact, there will be a lot of birds. It would be a privilege to see your selection process in action. I will also bring the drinks, by the way.

okay sir! i will put my selection process to the test, but please don't expect i will reveal the technique how. if proven right, it's up to you to figure it out or we can come up with some agreement.
this is a good challenge to everyone! put your system to the test with your face on it...

[MONGOOSE]

Originally Posted by earan

when i saw and adapted the selection process of PA during sparring, it increases my winning percentage compared to my old and self learned selection process. then i learn a new selection process by just holding the rooster and observing his behavior which is related to cutting, it increases my winning percentage compared to before. it is the same process i use when selecting a pullet/hen to be used for breeding. these rooster are accurate cutters and normally hits the soft spot or kilikili. if somebody wants to prove this system, i am willing to put my system into the test. let's say we go to a farm, you do your selection process by sparring, and mine will be by just holding the rooster and without sparring. i can guarantee, a high percentage of winning compared to the other...

You can tell a whole lot my just holding a bird. Is he fat, skinny or over muscled or under muscled. You get a sense of his balance, bone structure and bone density. You also can see the health of his feathers, legs, eyes, skin and feet, which gives you an idea of his care. All of this helps you to assess the overall bird. All of this in conjunction to sparring the bird with different STYLES of birds can help give you an idea of how he will perform in the pit. Not just sparring with any one type of good bird.
One assessment without the other is hoping.

[L~n~C Combine]

Just a little thing I have used a lot over the years and learned a lot from... When sparring use a video recorder and watch your playback in slow motion!! You Will be surprised at what you will learn. My father used this method to teach me how to select good cutting cocks from the wing floppers and believe me it does work. It worked so well it actually hurt my feelings a few times when I was young!!

[earan]

Originally Posted by MONGOOSE

You can tell a whole lot my just holding a bird. Is he fat, skinny or over muscled or under muscled. You get a sense of his balance, bone structure and bone density. You also can see the health of his feathers, legs, eyes, skin and feet, which gives you an idea of his care. All of this helps you to assess the overall bird. All of this in conjunction to sparring the bird with different STYLES of birds can help give you an idea of how he will perform in the pit. Not just sparring with any one type of good bird.
One assessment without the other is hoping.

when i sited the PA selection process, it rely more on the trained eyes. i will not elaborate on what PA looks for in a sparring, but i can say i have learned it...
holding a rooster will tell you a behavior related to cutting ability which i have realized after years of proving and testing in the pit in my own little way (hackfights and tupada). now i rely more on my hands rather than my eyes in selecting chickens. cutting ability can be selected by just holding the rooster. i don't rely more on fighting style, since a good cutting rooster has a good timing. he timed his shot, that's why i say fighting style is not consistent for me. now this is getting more interesting...

[magic]

does a multi-winner cock previous record and age have an effect in your selection process?

i believed that most of us are sometimes biased in our selection process that we focus much our untrained eye or attention in our previous winners... it is most likely that we will favor a not so impressive regular sparrer multi-winner, aged 3 yrs and up cock against a 2 yrs old that have not been fought but spars exceptionally well.

i think Dicky Lim (as per the late Emoy's commenting on the WSC) are fighting multiple winner cocks and at least 3 yrs of age, is it a key to most of his wins?

[earan]

Originally Posted by magic

does a multi-winner cock previous record and age have an effect in your selection process?

if you have a multi winner fighter with no major disabilities from past fights or you think your fighter will be of any disadvantage, common sense will set in.

[brownred kelso]

Selection and "people that just can't see the forest for the trees" as i have been to visit many cockers over the years, they would have some really good cocks and yes that would have some outstanding attributes but at the same time would have many flaws that would allow for them to be culls and the differance evident when you move into the big time venues, as for the sheer numbers it takes to field consistent outstanding good entrys is just not there....
One of the most impressive breeders here in the United States, that has bred and raised fowl and has a keen eye for selection, making his most impressive final product that is shown in the pits, all around the world would be Jeff Hudspeth.
Judgement of fowl and a finished product that is second to none, with an attitude that allows for his customers to be successful, would in my opinion make for Mr. Hudspeth to be the premier breeder of gamefowl, here in the United States and let's face it, no matter how good you can feed, you've got to have the selection when you start playing in the larger venues.
I have no regrets as to what i have learned in this sport over the years and if i had it to do over would not change a single thing, but it would have been nice to have thousands of candidates to select from instead of just hundreds,,,,,,BRK

[oddbird66]

Originally Posted by kogmohon

after selection among several candidates...i ran a process of elimination...i choose the cock that hit first...with feathers flying or hanging in the spurs...they should throw a deliberate reaching cut...quick follow up...they should show power when they need it...i like asil grades in the hot and humid season because of their livability, body conformation, tight feathers, and fighting style evasive and angat sarado...i use speed fowls in the cooler season...

This I believe in... And something else. An educated hunch. May sound "out there" to some but I've been around reptiles, specifically venomous snakes for a long time as an amateur herpetologist. I have learned to recognize certain animal movements that have helped me select winners. A quick spar will tell me which bird has it and which bird doesn't. It isn't 100% accurate, but when I fight my birds I've won more than I've lost.

[brownred kelso]

Originally Posted by oddbird66

This I believe in... And something else. An educated hunch. May sound "out there" to some but I've been around reptiles, specifically venomous snakes for a long time as an amateur herpetologist. I have learned to recognize certain animal movements that have helped me select winners. A quick spar will tell me which bird has it and which bird doesn't. It isn't 100% accurate, but when I fight my birds I've won more than I've lost.

I think you're totally accurate, as our beloved gamefowl decended from the reptiles and their actions and characteristics associate with information you would encounter while learning about them, so why not, i think you have something there,,,,,,,however,,,,,the man across the pit is turning loose a reptile cousin that knows alittle bit about it too and you still must have "SHAPE" and after all these years, not alot of people can come with the entire package,,,,,BRK

[MONGOOSE]

i don't rely more on fighting style, since a good cutting rooster has a good timing. he timed his shot, that's why i say fighting style is not consistent for me. now this is getting more interesting...[/QUOTE]

My experience is styles make fights. If you spar your birds with only his brothers or birds of the same family you aren't helping him or yourself. You are going to meet every type of bird at the pit. You would be doing yourself a favor by sparing with multiple types of birds to see if your fowl have weaknesses. Too many weaknesses is no good for top competition.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by earan

okay sir! i will put my selection process to the test, but please don't expect i will reveal the technique how. if proven right, it's up to you to figure it out or we can come up with some agreement.
this is a good challenge to everyone! put your system to the test with your face on it...

Well, honestly sir, if you want your system/technique tested, then you'll need to divulge your system Otherwise, it could be just a "coin toss" selection process. Please note that I do not mean to be rude or insulting, just stating it as my simple brain sees it.

Besides, we will be amongst brothers in the sport on May 6 where we will indeed exchange stories, tips, techniques (knife tying, blade designs, etc). Your secret will be safe amongst your brothers.

[neomatrix_2006]

If a fowl comes from a lineage of winners on both the cock and hen side, was given proper vaccination, good nutrition, proper upbringing, good conditioning, pointing and good gaffing... it CAN still lose at any given sunday. Conclusion? Just go for the average man...nothings perfect in cockfighting.

[oddbird66]

Originally Posted by brownred kelso

I think you're totally accurate, as our beloved gamefowl decended from the reptiles and their actions and characteristics associate with information you would encounter while learning about them, so why not, i think you have something there,,,,,,,however,,,,,the man across the pit is turning loose a reptile cousin that knows alittle bit about it too and you still must have "SHAPE" and after all these years, not alot of people can come with the entire package,,,,,BRK

Yessir, couldn't agree with you more. That's why part of selection (at least here in the PI) also involves how to correctly match, or "ulot" your bird. It's an art in itself, sandbagging, holding your rooster in such a way that it appears small, generally downplaying the capabilities of your fighter while simultaneously looking to fight someone whose bird is not in its peak. Once you learn the tricks of the trade, your chances of winning increase...

[kogmohon]

Originally Posted by neomatrix_2006

If a fowl comes from a lineage of winners on both the cock and hen side, was given proper vaccination, good nutrition, proper upbringing, good conditioning, pointing and good gaffing... it CAN still lose at any given sunday. Conclusion? Just go for the average man...nothings perfect in cockfighting.

i agree 200%...i bought a cull from the palenke fought him against a well conditioned imported cock...won unscratched...after 2 hours he fought again for a demonstration of how effective is a malaysian knife...this time he fought without any weapon against a imported cock tied with a malaysian knife...he won unscratched in 2 buckles...

[popoi]

Originally Posted by kogmohon

i agree 200%...i bought a cull from the palenke fought him against a well conditioned imported cock...won unscratched...after 2 hours he fought again for a demonstration of how effective is a malaysian knife...this time he fought without any weapon against a imported cock tied with a malaysian knife...he won unscratched in 2 buckles...

lol! that kind of cull must be what everyone should have. and forget all the worries in sabong.

[oddbird66]

Originally Posted by kogmohon

i agree 200%...i bought a cull from the palenke fought him against a well conditioned imported cock...won unscratched...after 2 hours he fought again for a demonstration of how effective is a malaysian knife...this time he fought without any weapon against a imported cock tied with a malaysian knife...he won unscratched in 2 buckles...

Priceless!!!! Sir Lee I hope you're not bringing him on May 6.... No one would stand a chance!!!

[earan]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Well, honestly sir, if you want your system/technique tested, then you'll need to divulge your system Otherwise, it could be just a "coin toss" selection process. Please note that I do not mean to be rude or insulting, just stating it as my simple brain sees it.

Besides, we will be amongst brothers in the sport on May 6 where we will indeed exchange stories, tips, techniques (knife tying, blade designs, etc). Your secret will be safe amongst your brothers.

sorry sir, i can't disclose the process of my selection on what to look for, because i'm selling the idea/concept for financial rewards. if you want sample, i can select a rooster from the cord, fight him wherever you like and see for yourself his cutting ability.
as for the tari clinic, no secrets. in fact i have invited rolly ramos who is also a knife enthusiast. he can share more on the tari and alignment.

[earan]

Originally Posted by MONGOOSE

i don't rely more on fighting style, since a good cutting rooster has a good timing. he timed his shot, that's why i say fighting style is not consistent for me. now this is getting more interesting...

My experience is styles make fights. If you spar your birds with only his brothers or birds of the same family you aren't helping him or yourself. You are going to meet every type of bird at the pit. You would be doing yourself a favor by sparing with multiple types of birds to see if your fowl have weaknesses. Too many weaknesses is no good for top competition.[/QUOTE]

i have no problem with sparring with different fighting style and colors to see the weaknesses of a warrior. i look first for this cutting ablity, then whatever style of fighting he has, whether he is salto, angat sarado, or abang doesn't really matters. i don't confine myself to one fighting style only. i'm not a believer of all angat sarado, all abang or all salto kind of selection. i leave it to the rooster himself as long as he has cutting ability.

[Outlaw greys]

Originally Posted by sucess gamefarm

weave an duck will get you killed in s/k because once hurt and you will get hurt the bird converts back to natural instints an behavior the weaving aint to bad if they are some what aggressive but the ducking is a traite best culled or bred out especially 4 s/k. but if it works for u keep it

I agree ducking will get you wreaked quick in the gaff as well cant stand a ducking rooster

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by earan

sorry sir, i can't disclose the process of my selection on what to look for, because i'm selling the idea/concept for financial rewards...

No worries. Its a free country and if you don't want to share your idea/concept, that's your prerogative. Your secret is safe.

[Darkside]

hey me too i can tell if a bird has cutting just by looking at it lol no need to feel..

[damien]

first off you need to start with a good pair or trio of broodfowl, iether producers or a winning cock and its mother or sisters, or vice versa. imo conditioning isent just through the keep, its year round care, and it should be about quantity, not quality. i would rather have 40 birds with a winning rate of 80%, rather than 100 birds with a winning rate of 60%. theres two things you cant do without, and thats gameness an cutting ability, i you have this you can infuse speed and other attributes via crossing, but without gameness, you just have dunghills, and without cutting you have chicken punchbags. you need to cull hard, and know the limits of your own fowl. dont be afarid to ask questions, and if you make a mistake, learn from it. a saying that i live by is dare to be different!!!

[slwnstdy]

Originally Posted by earan

sorry sir, i can't disclose the process of my selection on what to look for, because i'm selling the idea/concept for financial rewards. if you want sample, i can select a rooster from the cord, fight him wherever you like and see for yourself his cutting ability.
as for the tari clinic, no secrets. in fact i have invited rolly ramos who is also a knife enthusiast. he can share more on the tari and alignment.

Hi, I have always wondered, why would you sell it not just use it? Make more money that way.

The more you sell, the bigger the chance two of the people you sell meet up somewhere, who wins then?

Ok, I will call you on that, I want a sample. Bring the rooster you choose on the morning of May 6 to the tare tare, that's where I choose you to fight him. Thanks. I will ask the guys to video so we who are overseas can see it, thanks.

[oddbird66]

Originally Posted by slwnstdy

Hi, I have always wondered, why would you sell it not just use it? Make more money that way.

The more you sell, the bigger the chance two of the people you sell meet up somewhere, who wins then?

Ok, I will call you on that, I want a sample. Bring the rooster you choose on the morning of May 6 to the tare tare, that's where I choose you to fight him. Thanks. I will ask the guys to video so we who are overseas can see it, thanks.

My thoughts exactly. As it is, charging someone for an un-exact science will be a sketchy proposition to most, and for me (and this is my frank opinion on the matter), trying to sell your idea for a fee to a close knit group who go out of their way for each other is not our idea of camaraderie. As Jovie said you are entitled to keep your secrets and we respect your decision on it but don't you think it'd be ironic that everyone there is going out on a limb to chip in for the event so everyone can partake, sharing experiences and techniques without expecting anything in return, and you'd be telling everyone "hey I know a secret but you have to pay for me to divulge it." If everyone of us was like that then the session would have an entrance fee and we'd charge for food and drinks. But we're not like that. That's why our group is knit like a family.

My two cents.