paghahalo ng b-complex at iron injectable.

guys,

meron na ba ditong nakasubok na maghalo ng paborito nating b-complex at iron injectable? anu ang effect nito sa mga tinale? sana may magbigay ng magandang resulta, ng sa ganun ay makinabang ang nakakaraming members at beginners dito sa site. malaking bagay kasi sa manok natin namabawasan ang stress na dulot ng injection. imbes na 2x kang mag-iinject (1x b12 at 1x iron) a week ay marereduce na sa isang beses na lang.

tsampoy,

any idea? dagdag ko sana sa thread mo kaya lang hiniwalay ko na para maraming makabasa.

Iron Tonic
Submitted by Robert Mather
"Witch Hunt Gamefarm"


I use to fly Racing Pigeons before I got serious into Cocking, and I’m always looking for ways that Pigeon Racing can benefit my Fowl. It's an age-old sport that still has a huge following in Britain, Holland, etc. On a visit over there I noticed everyone water was never clear, and some smelled quite strange. I finally asked one of my hosts "What's in your water" And that's when he sat me down and told me about Pigeon Tea. They have the same medications that we use for Roosters, "Super fast Flyers" instead of "Super Kill Pills" But I found that most of the successful Flyers used Teas instead of Medications. They plan on keeping their Birds for a while, and want them all in good health at all times. Using Natural Teas accomplishes this and leaves no toxins behind. Below is one of the Teas "potions" that he shared with me, and you will see how it would benefit our Fowl. Below I broke down each ingredient to show why it would be so helpful to our Birds.

Iron Tonic
1 Tablespoon (10ml) of Lugols Aqueous Iodine Solution (must be aqueous iodine)
3 Tablespoons (30ml) of Parish's Food Iron Tonic (or any iron tonic for humans)
3 Tablespoons (30ml) of Cytacon B12 vitamin liquid

Instructions:
Add this mixture to 1 pint of water. Use 10ml per pint of drinking water or much easier, 50ml per 5 pint drinker. Adapted from L.T Corby's tonic, which I think is one of the best you can give your birds, and it's also the cheapest. The formula which he states is simple to make up, and I give it to my birds once a week in the closed season, and usually Tuesday & Thursday when racing. I use this because B12 vitamins cannot be obtained from the food alone, and most feeds are poor quality anyway. The iron is a natural boost for pigeons, which gets their blood right for racing, increasing oxygen levels and prevents acute anemia. Aqueous iodine is brilliant. If there's one secret in pigeon racing it has to be this. Aqueous iodine is normally used as a cleanser but many fanciers don't realize the true value of it. Iodine increases the metabolism in a pigeon, which means if given regular, helps prevent fat building up. Excellent therefore on stock birds and the racers. Aqueous Iodine can be given on its own, see below for further information.

Function of iodine
What does it do?
Iodine is necessary for the proper functioning of the thyroid gland and the production of thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones regulate the rate of metabolism in the body and play an important role in normal growth. Iodine is found in fish and iodized salt (salt with iodine added). Commercial feed supplement iodine by adding potassium iodide, potassium iodinate, sodium iodide, or calcium iodinate. Iodine occurs dependably only in seafood and seaweed. Plants contain iodine if they are grown on iodine-rich soil; dairy products contain it if the cows were fed with these kind of plants. Iodine is necessary for normal physical and mental growth & development, as well as for proper lactation and reproduction. Iodine aids in the development and functioning of the thyroid gland, controls the production of energy, and helps burn excess fat by stimulating the metabolism. Be aware that a well-functioning thyroid gland is essential to the proper mental development and the condition of feathers & skin. Additionally, an iodine deficiency causes a enlarged thyroid gland, slow mental reaction, poor feather condition, weight gain, and/or loss of physical & mental vigor.

Function of Iron
What does it do?
Iron is part of hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying component of the blood. Iron deficient birds tire easily because their bodies are starved for oxygen. Iron is also part of myoglobin, which helps muscle cells store oxygen. Without enough iron, ATP (the fuel the body runs on) cannot be properly synthesized. As a result, some iron-deficient birds become fatigued even when their hemoglobin levels are normal The bloodstream is the body's life support system that nourishes every cell. Within each red blood cell is a substance called hemoglobin, whose duty is to supply the cells with oxygen, the foremost need of the body. Without adequate levels of hemoglobin, the red blood cells are not able to carry the essential oxygen that the cells need for metabolic processes. This is called Anemia Anemia occurs when your blood doesn't have enough hemoglobin. Hemoglobin is a protein in red blood cells that carry oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body. A common cause of anemia is not having enough iron. (Your body needs iron to make hemoglobin.)

Function of B12
Vitamin B12 is crucial for a healthy nervous system, and a chronic lack can eventually cause neurological symptoms. Deficiency is rare but may lead to abnormally enlarged red blood cells. It is commonly but inaccurately believed that animal foods are the only source. In fact, active B12 is thought to be unique among vitamins in being made only by bacteria. The B12 found in meat, eggs and dairy milk derives from the activity of bacteria living within the animals. Prolonged cooking, including boiling of cow's milk, destroys B12. Most cases of B12 deficiency occurs frequently and is due to a lack of intrinsic factor (a protein which is produced in the stomach and which carries the B12 into the bloodstream), without which little of the vitamin can be absorbed. This type of deficiency can cause small bowel disorders, and effects of some parasitic infections.

tsampoy,

si p.a. nagpalabas ng complexor 3000, ito ay may kombinasyon ng b-12 at iron. siguro naman may dahilan sya kung bakit nya pinaghahalo ito. maaaring nung di pa sya naglalabas ng gamot na ito ay ginagawa na nya ang paghahalo nitong gamot na ito kaya lang ay wala pa akong pruweba dahil di nya binabanggit sa programa nya. hypothesis ko lang.

si idol kasi kahit papanu ay pinaniniwalaan ko pagdating sa gamot dahil di nya mararating ang rurok ng tagumpay kung di sya scientific magsabong. opinion ko lang.

kaibigang talahib gumagamit ako nito,matagal ng panahon sa mga aso ko,maganda ang resulta at ngayon ginagamit ko sa mga manok ko,sa aking obserbasyon malaking factor ang naiitulong nito sa manok,kahit di panlaban ang mga manok palagian ko silang ginagamitan ng ganitong uri ng gamot,particularly sa mga inahin at broodcock,napakadaling magcondition ng manok pag ka gamit ko yung dalawang gamot na nabanggit mo.subukan mo rin at obserbahan mo kung ayos sa mga manok mo

[ema42363]

Pareng Tsampoy,

Katulad ng nasabi ko sa post thread mo, ang gamit ko sa ngayon ay 1/4 belamyl and 1/4 MEEB = 0.5 ml, at maganda ang resulta sa aking mga panabong (ika nga tested ko na).
Pero ang pag i-inject sa katawan ng manok ay may proper style or sistema, hindi komo naiturok mo sa katawan ay sigurado ka na, ito ay may tamang sistema ng pag-turok sa katawan ng manok, para madaling ma-absorb at umepekto sa katawan ng manok.
Pm ko na lang sa iyo pareng Tsampoy ang tamang pag- inject sa katawan ng manok, kung okay sa iyo.


Egay
main@rcp.com.ph

[idol-ko-si-abello]

tsampoy is right!

Vitamin B12, also called cobalamin, is important to good health. It helps maintain healthy nerve cells and red blood cells, and is also needed to make DNA, the genetic material in all cells. Vitamin B12 is bound to the protein in food. the Hydrochloric acid in the stomach releases B12 from protein during digestion. Once released, B12 combines with a substance called intrinsic factor (IF) before it is absorbed into the bloodstream.

Cyanocobalamin (B12) is water soluble essential nutrient, helps the body manufacture hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying molecule found in red blood cells. but animals, including humans, cannot get enough from their own bacteria and so must obtain it through the diet.

Vitamin B12 it is closely related to folic acid. Each relies on the other for the body to be able to use them. Vitamin B12 is essential for the efficient metabolism of protein, carbohydrates and fats in the body and contributes to the production of red blood cells to prevent anaemia. It also maintains the protective cover around the nerves and promotes their growth.

b12 is excreted though the liver and passed into the bowel. Here it is reabsorbed by the body through the intestines.

Folic acid is a B group vitamin that can also be called 'folate' or 'folacin'. The chemical name for folic acid is 'pteroylglutamic acid' (or 'PGA'). Folic acid is an essential vitamin for the growth of healthy, new body cells (especially in the lining if the intestines) and plays a vital role (along with iron and vitamin B12) to form the 'oxygen-carrying' red blood cells (called 'haemoglobin').

Iron is critical in the provision of red blood cells. Iron deficiency will cause an anaemic condition where the animal has insuficient iron to make red blood cells. Iron supports the bloods ability to carry oxygen to the cells. Lack of iron equates to reduced oxygenation of these cells and thus reduced energy.

i asked our doctor reviewer in my cgfns class, why in cases in humans such as bowel obstruction vit. b12 and iron is indicated. it is because pernicious anemia may have set in during the course of illness. b12 alone is not enough to produce the needed rbc to sustain its life.

iron should be given if anemia had set in. small amount of iron like .02cc will do in animals. but should not be given more than 5x in single month or the liver will decay.

i hope i helped in talahibs query. just my thoughts from my review class.

[P_U_L_A]

nice mr. suwabe hehehe....

sino dito nakasubok ng .25 bexan xp mixed with .25 meeb sa keep? pwede kaya to?

Mas maraming alam si Idol PA kaysa Novartis...

Si Idol magsasabi kaya ng totoo sa mga gamot na ginagamit niya? :lol:

Idol Talahib baka naman may nasabi si Idol sa yo na tamang mixing...share naman

[idol-ko-si-abello]

pero hwag nating kalimutan na si PA ay gumamit din ng belamyl just before he made the complexor 3000.

kung makikita ninyo sa mga poster na ipinamigay ng novartis noon, may mclean hatch at black bonanza na nafeature si PA.

so, does novartis needs to prove anything?

siguro mayroon, kung ang head nito ay anti cockfighting pa rin. remember the thread started by Gallos Locos?

[Jaypeeix]

galing galing...


tama kah...pareng tsampoy.....



alam nyo d rin ntn masasabi ung ano tl;ga ang ginagamat ni idol b4 sya gumawa ng sarili nyang gamot,,,

pero tingn ko.....meron pa rin syang sariling diskarte at sikreto,,,na hindi nya.. ilalabas maski kanino.,..

parang tayo.,..may sarisarili tyong sekreto,.,,dbah....


un ay ang tingn ko lng....heheh:rbounce: :teeth:

sekreto as in secret love..hehehe:lol:

Tatlong klase ang Vit B-12......cynacobalamin, hydroxycobalamin and methylcobalamin.
which one? i used the ordinary form of B-12(cynacobalamin) sa maintainance. sa conditioning and fight day daw ginagamit ang
hydroxycobalamin(high dosage B-12). very expensive ang hydroxy
form of B-12.

mga boss pwede po ba sumingit baguhan lang kasi ako sa conditioning.

kung nag condisyon ka ba ng manok 14day keep ang condisyoning mo tapos using belamyl isang beses sa isang lingo ang paggamit tapos ni laban mo nanalo. tapos sabihin natin next 2months laban mo ulit cya 14 day keep din tapos gamit mo yung complexor ni p.a., magkadeperencya ba cya o mag ooff yung manok. thanks!

WENG,

walang kaso yun pare. ok lang. naipagpag na nung manok yung belamyl sa katawan nya. so kahit ibang brand ang gamitin mo ay puwede.

tsampoy at kontrapelo,

healthy ang discussion nyo, maganda yan para sa mga baguhan.

idol-abello,

maaaring may hinahalo si p.a. sa belamyl nuong panahon na ginagamit nya yung mga gamot ng novartis kaya naglabas sya ng ibang gamot ng b-12 with iron kasi puwede naman syang maglabas ng complexor na b12 lang at walang iron di ba?

habagat,

salamat sa paalala na makakasama ang sobrang iron sa katawan ng manok.

pre talahib thanks for the reply maaasahan ka tlaga.

[ligas_paka2006]

Originally Posted by talahib747

guys,

meron na ba ditong nakasubok na maghalo ng paborito nating b-complex at iron injectable? anu ang effect nito sa mga tinale? sana may magbigay ng magandang resulta, ng sa ganun ay makinabang ang nakakaraming members at beginners dito sa site. malaking bagay kasi sa manok natin namabawasan ang stress na dulot ng injection. imbes na 2x kang mag-iinject (1x b12 at 1x iron) a week ay marereduce na sa isang beses na lang.

.

[brons]

sa akin pwede mo pm.. thanks