whats the problem with our sport and why are we fighting a uphill battle? - Page 2 - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

Tomtom26 · September 19th, 2012, 11:28 PM

It is goin to take anyone standing up and saying we are not goin to stand by and loss the sport we all love!!! To we do that we will be fighting a up hill battle

Haribon · September 20th, 2012, 12:07 AM

I am not an american citizen, I am not living in U.S. but I studied law.

The point of discussion if I may is the "right"... Right doesn't need to be a majority or a minority. The percentage of population however have a role nowadays and that is the sad thing about it. When we are talking about right, greater population or lesser population is insignificant just like the aborigines which have the right. Right is not absolute though but as long as it is not detrimental to others we are in general have that right.

I admire your courage furyunleashed... Just do what you think is right because its always better to say in the future that "you did your part, you fought for what you believe in" which is always better than do nothing at all.

buzzbait · September 20th, 2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hitmonkey!!!

u are correct not alot of the general public are with us,,,and in the more populated suburbian areas we will be hard pressed to get alot of acceptance but in rural areas we will be able to sway a few,,, with a little knowledge even the "city folks" will see it little better,,, my wife is a director of nursin at work last week they flew in guy from st louis,, when he walked in to buildin i knew he was vegatarian bunny lover he just had the ar look,,,,, well he walked by and seen me lookin on here and he ask what i was lookin at i told em,,,,cockfightin sight,,,, he said that dont happen anymore does it i started with my whole cockfightin speech how we was done wrong and it is a better sport than depicted and when he left monday he was watchin the fights on u tube abd readin all about it he was so interested in it he was talkin about buyin some hehehe it just takes gettin the truth to them,,,and tellin me he there are bad apples in every sport u do see some people that shouldn hae gamefowl but thats another story,, we need to expose the truth now and expose the h$u$ now while they are in trouble it seemed like since they got charged people quit talkin about em thats when we need to jump on em both feet,,, and now is good time to introduce people to cockin, cause alot of outdoorsman out there are loosin their huntin land dont have anywhere to go and would pick up on it if they were helped out and tought!

Hit - I like it !! Kudos to you !!!!

Bad Apple · September 20th, 2012, 05:00 AM

Hey Hitmonkey,,,I like it too,,,Just would have picked a different term than bad apple LOL,,, Take care

green leg hatch · September 20th, 2012, 05:22 AM

I just read where **** messed with the wrong company and this company actually has the deep pockets to give the *** nuts a good fight. Barnum and Bailey circus has a lawsuit against them using the RICO act and they are moving forward pretty well. This might actually be our chance to get rid of them. It stated that they owe 20 mil in legal fees alone, and the big shots may be looking at serving some prison time. That would make a lot of farmers and animal owners sleep better at night knowing that the terrorists are in jail and not taking away our rights.

Low point · September 20th, 2012, 07:59 AM

[QUOTE=cnucum;4230504]As I mentioned in the other similar threads to this...

The real problem is... "General Acceptance" of Cockfighting in the US... What percentage of the US population are "Cockfighters" or would not mind "Cockfighting"? 5%? 10% at best?

As long as these numbers are very low, any move to legalize it will always fail, forget about the animal nuts, the "regular citizens" will not even

Everyone I talk to about it had either never heard of it and thinks its stupid what kind of charges a cockfight brings, or would love to c one or get involved because they think they can make money. People just arent exposed. I have only met enough people to count on one hand that think its wrong. Once I explained how much care the birds are given and there instincts to fight, fight, fight no matter what, all but one changed thier mind (she) couldnt understand how something would want to fight to the death. Hey u can't win em all but a friend of mine has a saying that I really like " a closed mouth don't get fed". We got to inform the ignorant with knowledge. Most are smart enough to understand once given the facts.

furyunleashed · September 20th, 2012, 10:07 AM

[QUOTE=cnucum;4230504]As I mentioned in the other similar threads to this...

The real problem is... "General Acceptance" of Cockfighting in the US... What percentage of the US population are "Cockfighters" or would not mind "Cockfighting"? 5%? 10% at best?
no offense intended cnucum but back when it was legal would you have kept a strain of fowl that had this attitude that there is only a 5-10% chance of me winning this battle so im just gonna lay low sulk quit or run my way out of this situation without putting up a bitter fight till the end? or would you have rather had a strain that knew that the light of victory was very dark and grim allmost out of sight and nearly imposible to reach but yet they performed with all there might and wether they won or lost they left the battlefeild with valor and the dignity of knowing that they gave all that they had even though they knew the odds were slim and definately not in there favor. I truely hope that you dont take offense to this cnucum but i just want us all to make one last push and win lose or draw we can all hold our heads up with honor knowing that we fought for our feathered warriors our sport and our rights with the same true grit and the far most ultimate degree of gameness that we all with such great pride admired the gamecock. In my heart the gamecock will allways live and the fire in my soul will forever burn no matter the outcome the gamecock will allways be rembered until the day i die and i want to be at peace with knowing that i done everything in my power to save him and our beloved sport of kings and that with the gamecocks final crow i will know that i served him justice. Like myself we have all seen that one last push from deep deep down inside pay of in a major kind of way simply because the will to win never went away, and the agony of defeat was never accepted, and in my book that is considered to be a winner either way.

furyunleashed · September 20th, 2012, 10:22 AM

in essence where there is a will there is a way i think 90% of the problem is just simply lack of knowledge on the behalf of the public because they have had the opportunity to hear 1 side of the story due to people being scared to inform anyone of the truth, because they have fell victim to the shock and awe scare tactics of the **** and **** and so far they have been sucessfull at there plan is which is to keep us in fear and quiete.

cnucum · September 20th, 2012, 11:28 AM

It's my point of view on the subject, I am giving you guys a different look...

Low point, what area did you ask those people? I am not from the US but I think I was pushing too high when I said 5%-10% accepted cockfighting, could be less... I'll ask you this, is there any, any politician there that will down right admit in front of there general public that he supports cockfighting?

Furyunleashed, no offense taken... If you are "dead game" in terms of this, I am what you would call an "oriental grade", thinking first before going in... You cannot WIN being dead in this situation... My dad always tell me that courage is one step closer to foolishness and that I should not go into something by emotion only...

What I am trying to say is, yes you go all out, you are game, you try and try and try, but if the tactic ain't working why try at all? There should be a better way right?

I have been on these board for sometime now and I see all these petition, letters, call your local politician, etc. etc. year in year out, did they make any change? none right?

When something does not work, it's time to change strategy... Just saying what I see and I am not pulling you guys down, as I do hope you guys win your rights back, really...

buzzbait · September 21st, 2012, 03:16 AM

Being around people in a group, on a team, in the workplace, family reunions etc,etc I have noticed one thing.......
Discouraging people do just that, they "discourage" others of hope, victory and accomplishments ( thats if you let it catch ) - Encouraging people do just that , they "encourage" others . Guys- if WE aim at nothing WE are Guaranteed one thing for sure , WE will hit the target everytime !
Furyunleashed - i appreciate ya !!!

Low point · September 21st, 2012, 06:49 AM

Cnucum I am from the gulf coast, south MS to be more exact. People just dont realize what these so called humane organizations are doing with their money. They are ignorant and no, I dont know any politicians, if I did I would have some light shed. I have thought of a getting a proposal typed up also that would sell liscence to 1 pit per county. The highest bidder wins the liscence. A fee for a liscence for handling. And taxs on the pot. Cockers could get together to win the pit liscence and the money the state collects would deffinetly add up to a nice chunk. Money is the only reason this sport is illegal. The public ditn ban it because they dont even know about it.

Buckscocks · September 25th, 2012, 02:37 AM

Folks...I wish I was wrong...but I'm not..This battle you're speaking of has long been over...We lost..Cockfighting in the states is a done deal..Its over...the only thing you can hope for now is fighting constitutes felonies vs misdemeanor...And from what I've seen happen in the last couple of years thats not going well either...If you'll look up the South Carolina "cotton ball case" as it was dubbed you'll find that even if you're in a misdemeanor state you WILL be charged with a felony if caught cockfighting..Folks I'm not trying to discourage anyone...If I thought for a moment there was ANY chance of bringing legal cockfighting back I'd be the first in line to fight for it....but thats unfortunetly not reality...Reality is cockfighting is legally over...God how I wish I was wrong !!!...To those of you that think there is still a battle to be fought you are not accepting reality...I admire your tenacity...Your will is commendable...But unfortunetly in vain...The time to fight was years ago...Not now...There is nothing left to fight for...And as I said before..I'd give ANYTHING to be wrong...I'd love to be proven wrong...but I'm not...If you continue to fight cocks in the US you are facing the chance of becoming a convicted felon...Not a good thing for a lot of reasons...For those of you that choose to continue please just do some research to be knowledgeable about exactly what you are facing...I do feel sorry for those that dont know...But ignorance of the law is not going to help you if and when you are caught...I honestly wish everything I am saying is wrong...I wish it more than ANYTHING !!...I loved cockfighting as much or more than most involved years ago...I cant tell you how much I miss those early morning derbies with friends that were the highlights of the season for myself...Nothing...And I do mean NOTHING that comes with the fall meant more to me than fighting..I love to hunt...Deer, Duck, Quail...But none of those things all together meant as much to me as cockfighting...I loved it!! Not only the sport itself but the many friends that I aquired while competing also meant a great deal to me...thank God I still have those memories & friends....Nobody can take that away..I still have my birds..And always will...But competing with them is unfortunetly just a memory now..Please folks..especially you younger ones...KNOW what your risk are !!..Some of you unfortunetly dont know what you're facing...Do some research!! Its very important that you do so...You're not facing a charge that warrants a slap on the wrist anymore...you're facing a charge that CAN ruin your lives!...Please at least know the facts!! You owe that to yourselves and families!..If you dont know where to start contact me...I'll be glad to help you...Honest to God...I wish as much as any of you that cockfighting could be legal again...but your hopes are futile...Its not going to happen...Theres no chance in hell of cockfighting in the states EVER being legal again...I'd give anything to be wrong...but I'm not..And most of you know it...God bless you all !! ..... I hope you all the best !!...But face the facts friends...And face them with Knowledge about your risk...BE Informed!! I cant stress how important that is !!! ..yfis, Buck S.

Low point · September 25th, 2012, 09:13 AM

If you have given up then you dont even stand a chance. All kind of things have been illegal but once the gov finds a way to regulate it it's tolerated. Hell, who woulda thought pot and homesexuality would be gaining exceptance. Nobody thought they wss gunna get banned back n the day so novody realy fought tooth and nail. Yea it will probly get worse before it gets better, but if thats what it takes bring on hell and high water. We r gunna haf2 get kicked around enough to make people really stand up together because realy I dont think we r all that unified.

slwnstdy · September 25th, 2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Low point

If you have given up then you dont even stand a chance. All kind of things have been illegal but once the gov finds a way to regulate it it's tolerated. Hell, who woulda thought pot and homesexuality would be gaining exceptance. Nobody thought they wss gunna get banned back n the day so novody realy fought tooth and nail. Yea it will probly get worse before it gets better, but if thats what it takes bring on hell and high water. We r gunna haf2 get kicked around enough to make people really stand up together because realy I dont think we r all that unified.

Hi folks, if I may add my two cents...

I think Buckscocks hasnt totally given up, and I dont think you should but there are realities and practicality is the only way to preserve, NOT COCKFIGHTING, but the gamecock and all aspects of this sport that we truly love.

Many say that fighting is only a very small part of it, that the money you win isnt everything, so why dont we shift focus away from those and put it on other things, like protecting the right to breed and making it ingrained so that it stays? The British and the Australians have had prohibition for so long, and the only way to preserve the gamefowl is to strengthen the agricultural aspects of it, to make sure it survives by putting it in the mainstream of agricultural breeding.

Even if, when you look at the rules for it, they are patterned around the usage of the roosters for gaff fighting (if you know what I mean), therefore, it allows you to legally keep them that way, and not degenerate into bantams or miniatures or fowl for food. This time we need to be ahead of the game, because as sure as tomorrow will come they are already after the breeding aspects of the sport, not today, but yesterday, with a ton of money in hand, general opinion in their camp, and us here semi-divided and a very very small minority.

Good luck boys....at worst, save up for your holidays in Mexico and the Phils where it is legal and still enjoyed by the many. -- SLW

MAD MAX · September 28th, 2012, 01:44 AM

Bucksocks Is speaking from an entirly Logical mindset. I dont either 100% agree or disagree with him but his points are very valid. The one thing that most people dont realize , Be they Cockers or the average citizen is that getting Cockfighting illegalized has really nothing to do with What is on the surface. Cockfighting was an easy mark for the anti groups, And they can now use it in their campaigns against other animals and their usage.
Here are some predictions for 20 years down the road:
1. Trapping will be illiminated or severly restricted.
2. Use of dogs against other animals even in hunting will be a Felony
3. Ownership of Powerfull dog breeds such as Rottwiellers, Pitbulls, German Shepards Ect. will be Taxed Like they are in many european Countries.
4. Hunting methods will be severly restricted compared to what they are now. Hunting will be banned within 75 years or extremly limited.
5. Ownership and personal slaughter of Livestock will be limited to large licenced corporate Farms. This has allready been proposed in some places.
6. Ownership of more than 2 or 3 Roosters will be a crime by the average "Non farmer".
7. ownership of a "Fighting Fowl or animal" will be a crime.

I could go on but you get the idea, I too hope I am wrong on every count, I have spoke to some of the members of the H$u$ anp P#tA they are fanatics in ways that you have too see to believe, The above things are all on their agenda.

Rogelio Monzon · September 28th, 2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cnucum

As I mentioned in the other similar threads to this...

The real problem is... "General Acceptance" of Cockfighting in the US... What percentage of the US population are "Cockfighters" or would not mind "Cockfighting"? 5%? 10% at best?

As long as these numbers are very low, any move to legalize it will always fail, forget about the animal nuts, the "regular citizens" will not even allow it right?

so in order for the commom people too acept our sport ..you need to show the future genarations bring more people in the sport...help the joung ones by giving them free fowl to start off with...if everyone of us takes maybey 5 or six joung folks with us too shows or something more people will be envolved...

chad123 · September 30th, 2012, 06:00 AM

I think one of the biggest problems is people wont mind there own business anymore the governments got there noses in every aspect of our lives..There will always be things people diagree on when you diagree with something its best to stay away from it thats almost impossible for some people to do anymore.I think homosexuality is an abomination it makes me sick to think about so i dont go around it.The people that disagree with cockfighting should take this same attitude rather than trying to stop other people from doing what they love.You cant even punish your kids in public anymore without fear of child services takin em away from you.I think the men and women that founded this great country would roll over in there graves if they saw what america is know its a joke.